Discussing jury nullification is against the ToS of lemmy.world and will get you banned, according to worldnews mod
Discussing jury nullification is against the ToS of lemmy.world and will get you banned, according to worldnews mod
As per .world worldnews mod, no discussing naughty stuff like jury nullification.
While this post is blowing up, here's the book referenced by the shooter:
Delay Deny Defend - Why Insurance Companies Don't Pay Claims and What You Can Do About It
By request: Full, uncensored video of the shooting. (Fucking obviously NSFW)
World News is ban-happy, screw em.
John Oliver did an episode about jury nullification, IIRC. And it's funny how when you're on jury duty, they're not allowed to tell you about jury nullification, but they can't stop you from discussing or doing it when you're making your deciding. IMO they should be required to tell you, but as usual, those in power fear anyone outside the system having power of their own.
It's a TOS violation to discuss one of the very real and legitimate responsibilities you have as a juror?
Like, nullification is a thing because it's very much the absolute very very last defense against bullshit laws being used against people by a corrupt judicial system.
It's a moral imperative and something anyone sitting on a jury should understand and be willing to use.
What an absurd take, especially since it sounds like it's all the .world admins having it.
Jury nullification has always been a hot topic on Reddit, so of course it’s going to continue as a hot topic on Lemmy. The percentage of American Reddit and Lemmy users who know about jury nullification is doubtless at a statistically significant higher rate than the whole of the American public.
That said, you guys must know that not all people are comfortable with murder, even when it involves an asshole. And that is a good thing. We need compassionate people in the world. Compassion is cool, we need a measure of it tempering everything else.
That’s it. Just a reminder that people are gonna people. And a complete lack of surprise at yet another discussion involving jury nullification within these past 10yrs of Reddit/Lemmy.
I consider human life sacred
Like the lives of those cut short by denying treatment so CEOs and shareholders can make more money?
only God may judge us
Oh, fuck off. If God exists and actually cared, he/she/they would have "judged" the guy a long time ago for introducing needless suffering and cruelty.
Ok, I wasn't really that surprised when a bunch of users who were calling for more murder were getting their comments deleted. That's a bit much and users need to know how to be more vague with their threats, especially with web crawls recording and indexing everything we say online...
But censoring the discussion of a real legal process is crazy. Well, I've made a few comments regarding jury nullification. I'll report if they get deleted.
edit: It's been about 20 hours and none of my Jury Nullification comments have remained. I have a feeling that the .world mods figured out that that discussion was fine or the deleted comments has other reasons to be deleted.
The last US presidential election was basically jury nullification.
How is jury nullification against .world ToS? It is part of the law! Or more specifically it is literally created from the absence of a law, to allow a fair trial by your peers.
Courts don't want you to know about jury nullification but it is not illegal. It is a required part of the judicial system.
I'm totally with the post here condemning this but I wish some people in this comment section would act neutrally.
This is not a lemmy.world admin, who would actually speak on behalf of the whole instance (Not that those haven't done questionable shit either, but not to this level). It's a mod on community that happens to be hosted on lemmy.world, and they are citing the lemmy.world ToS in bad faith. Just like a corrupt cop will think of some bullshit law to arrest you if they wanted to abuse their power.
I for one do hope they get removed as a mod from the community by the admins, but strangely I see very little of that being discussed. Instead there's a bunch of prepossessed conclusions made about the users of lemmy.world, which shouldn't be a surprise that the largest instance, isn't a monolith, and people don't join it for political affiliation unlike some instances. The fact the mod is at times not even receiving a single upvote should be clear that everyone is disgusted by this.
Lemmy.world users need to see this thread and this corruption from a mod on our instance, so that we can pressure them into being removed. Since communities are there also for people outside of the instance, this is a net positive for the fediverse itself if they get kicked out.
But this kind of circle jerking over how much you dislike lemmy.world, you're drowing out the actually important information, and if the first thing someone sees when entering this thread is unfounded prejudice against them, they're going to ignore it and think less of you for it in return, creating a more hostile space for everyone that has to share it. I hope everyone here that does this is aware of that self-sabotage.
You shouldn't talk about jury nullification because the first rule of jury nullification is you do not talk about jury nullification.
Banning people for encouraging continued violence is one thing, but banning people for encouraging others not to imprison someone is actually ridiculous, regardless of their actual guilt.
lemmy.ml gonna ride this for a month lmao
"only God may judge us"
It's okay, as an atheist, I only recognize the moral authority of humankind, so judge away.
More seriously speaking, PTB. It would be one thing if the justification was "We REALLY do not want any legal trouble and we are just not equipped to take on any challenges, so we're playing it safe", but "i consider human life sacred"? They can fuck off.
Imagine describing the denial of medical care to thousands in the name of profits as a "mistake".
What a clown!
I love Lemmy dot world mods, every few weeks they have some weird drama and think they can patch it out with a change to the TOS
That's insane lol. They also get mad when you stand outside the courthouse and hand out pamphlets about it, wonder if this fool works in the system.
Is jury nullification instructions on how to build a bomb?
lemmy.dbzer0.com is supposedly run by an anarchist, just saying...
Also we got booty (no not that booty, treasure!) !piracy!piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Sail the High Seas!
And there is your proof.
Lemmy.word is not your friend.
Good news, guys! The lords of lemmy.world are looking out for you, deciding for you what you are and are not allowed to discuss. I'm happy we have them, keeping us safe.
I think I will probably defederate my little contributional section of Lemmy from LW. I want to take some time to think about it, but this seems so overtly hostile to the principles of what a good fediverse citizen should be doing that I think it's better to start to actively refuse to cooperate with them.
Glad I didn't pick that instance. They have no balls.
Here's an animated explanation: CGP Grey's version - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqH_Y1TupoQ
I caught one of those bans. No explanation, no nothing, and I've said far more inflammatory things than just "Jury Nullification"
Welp, this here is one of the problems of having big, general instances. As any group gets too big you get decisions like this being made. Find your ideal neighborhood in the fediverse and don't make another monolith
Oh that's just another .world thing
Been planning on abandoned and setting up my own instance when I get settled. 2 weeks. Oh and BTW https://pdfupload.io/docs/0d380e9b
People in the know know that behind the facade of Lemmy World the administration has acted either pretty abusively or pretty dismissive of the accusations against its abuse.
Look, fuck dotworld. Every fucking day there are posts on there crying about leftist instances, and urging everyone to defederate from .ml and hexbear. Meanwhile this is their moderation style: suppressing wildly popular opinion that threatens the liberal/capitalist status quo. They're already too big. Don't let them monopolize Lemmy like they want. Join almost any other instance.
Consider yourself judged, hypocrite!
By far the most egregious authoritarian exposition of their evil.
The deep state needs social media influence to maintain disinformation monopoly. AI needs regulation for same purpose. The biggest politics, news and world news subs, need to be blocked, but they will just block real information soon enough anyway.
So uh.
If, say, hypothetically, a hypothetical shooter of a hypothetically monstrously terrible hypothetical person--let's say, hypothetically, a health care ceo--i would hypothetically be really considering my options in terms of what decision i would make about the case.
Practical question: if a jury gets nullified, then doesn't the person just keep rotting in jail awaiting trial, assuming their bail is high (it will be) or they can't make bail? So literally like, how is it better because they're just going to be in jail awaiting conviction for longer.
i was asked to moderate anything that is illegal specifically mentioning "jury nullification" and "financially supporting" this has been changed now until a larger announcement is made
many admins and moderators at .world including myself are not american, i pray that the others who are angry at me and hope they consider there are more countries with laws that are different from them
you may disagree with my faith but i consider myself fair in my removal in this violation
when trump was shot i removed comments celebrating this violence when sinwar was killed i removed comments celebrating this violence so when this person is murdered i remove comments celebrating this violence
when users report these comments and those above me ask me to act on this topic i continue as i have for months in these communities
there was no good-faith and productive discussion to be had when you celebrate murder
how can you call others a tankie when you dance on graves as they do?
i have sympathy for the americans who are wronged by the man murdered but instead of violence maybe you consider reading a book to understand the world around you and be open to the power of faith to restore your love of humanity instead of parading violence
Give it a day or two for the LW admins to respond. Remember, they're not doing this as a full time job. This only happened today, and I would expect change on the instance to take more than one day.
Also most of the mods on LW only have one big community. Different communities will have different standards.
