There's a root of a well-meaning vegan argument in D*stiny's post, i.e. the removal of consent/autonomy in the case of killing which is oft overlooked when it comes to animals.
However, it's D*stiny, so he's being an edgelord contrarian with no stake in the game, as usual, and when this argument is made insincerely it becomes infinitely grosser, because you have to know he only posted it for the shock value of bestiality wrapped in the guise of debate aestheticism
I think a primary difference in the impulses that drive liberalism and leftism is that a leftist will realize they're taking part in something cruel and think "this is fucked up, I should stop" while a dedicated liberal will come to the same realization and think "welp, seal's broken, might as well go whole-hog evil."
How to spot a liberal: "No ethical consumption under capitalism."
The meaning has been perverted to mean "All consumption is equally unethical." And you can ignore the capitalism part entirely because of capitalist realism.
Beating up the various "influencer" people from time to time would do a lot to put some fear into them about the things they say and spread to huge audiences online.
Call me an adventurist or whatever but the quickest pathway to getting them to shut the fuck up is realising there could actually be personal consequences for the shit they do and say.
And then they will monetize the story of how they got beat up by the evil tankies and gain even more money and a larger audience.
Vaush and Destiny have a lot of money. If someone beats them up they will just get a bodyguard or something.
While you might get punished for your (admittedly extremely based) deed.
Just look at Richard Spencer. Did getting decked in the face on live television do anything to stop him being fascist scum?
With all of this being said: make sure you beat them to a pulp while they are on stream. Bonus points if it gets them banned from Twitch.
Reminds me of a guy in one of my college classes who kept asking
cw: sv and general debatekid ickiness
"If the two parties consent, why should incest be illegal?" in an attempt to catch libs in some sort of ethical gotcha moment
He shut up real quick when I pointed out that because of the inherent power dynamics of a familial relationship, it's almost impossible to provide consent in cases of incest because that shit is coerced up the wazoo
Also that it was really fuckin weird that he kept bringing it up, because it was like the third time he did it in regards to three different discussions about consent
Straight white dudes are something else a lot of the time
I thought about this a bit and, in addition to what you said:
Let's assume you have 2 siblings in their 30s who are romantically interested in one another, they're both independent financially and there's no power imbalance between them.
If you're in a position where both parties can consent, does the law even matter? Is the neighbor gonna call the police? Is the police gonna investigate and arrest them? I highly doubt it. I guess you can't get married.
Generally incest is a social construct, aside from power dynamics, even horizontal (e.g. siblings biological, step, whatever) incest suggests some dysfunction in the family dynamic when growing up, because we know things like the Westermarck effect make incest less likely.
But there's edge cases. Like people who were adopted and never met in childhood, like it's not really incest, though there's obviously genetic concerns which makes it advisable for them to not have kids (with each other).
Reminder that if you eat red meat/dairy, you are benefiting from bestiality. Cows are impregnated against their will by humans, who have collected semen against the bulls will.
"Gratification" is your implication. The device used to restrain cows for insemination is colloquially referred to as a "rape rack". Can you confront that truth?
I can't figure out what Destiny is trying to say in that post, knowing what actually happens in this scene is making this really hard to figure out what argument is being made.
As someone who doesn't know the scene, I think the general point is that if you're okay with animals being locked up, tortured, impregnated, killed, etc. without their consent, then you no longer can condemn bestiality on those terms.
Back when I was a major I followed that line of reasoning for a hot second to the conclusion that it must not be that bad. Then I was like wait wtf this is messed up, went vegan, and now take a more consistent hardline stance on animal consent.
always find it fucked when people will make the beastiality to animal agriculture comparison, then proceed to use it as a pro-beastiality argument rather than an anti-animal ag one. like how is that the conclusion you draw from this
For some that have Main Character Syndrome, what they were already doing can't be wrong and should never be examined more closely, so the conclusion is that what they were already doing is good and normal and everything else must cleave in favor of that assumption.
Extreme short version: paid and promoted him as part of their efforts to counter "socialist" art across the country. He was chosen specifically because of his smug "my art doesn't mean anything and/or you just wouldn't get it, lol" attitude compared to leftist output at the time which was often easy to understand messaging.
Fantastic, I was wondering when these scumbags would start tearing each other apart, of course after they got bored harassing black content creators on YouTube
Hopefully these "takes" on bestiality will also attract the attention of the chuds, those two camps of sexpests, racists, and debate lords deserve each other
If you’re okay with putting a dog inside a cage or taking it to the vet against its will, then you should also be okay with people who want to have sex with dogs.
Kenneth Pinyan's "death" in the 2005 Enumclaw Horse Sex scandal was a coverup by the CIA. The man was given highly experimental age reversing plastic surgery and given the task by the CIA to act as a leftist political streamer to disrupt leftist discourse under the name of "Vaush"
I will concede that if bestiality wasn't already viscerally disgusting, we wouldn't think to call it SA. In a lot of cases it obviously just is inherently objectively SA, but really we're working backwards to "blanket SA" from it being just straight up fucking nasty, and as libs we don't want to admit that we would make something illegal because we gagged at it
It's not really worth making the distinction honestly though. Like I think it should be blanket illegal but I don't really know why, and thats not common for me
so you admit that animals do not possess the same rights in human society as an adult human in all situations therefore you must concede that me fucking an animal is good actually, yes I am very smart
Enough of the "Whale Fucking is non-consensual" bullshit. A Humpback Whale weighs 70,000 pounds, is fifty feet long, can dive more than a quarter mile and can crush ships with a single swipe of its tail. If a human manages to fuck one, you damn well better believe it's consensual