So uh, this is just allowed on tumblr (kinda gruesome tbh)

Folks.
If you ever catch yourself describing how you want to torture someone to death, I want you to stop and take inventory of your priorities.
Look. I am not a pacifist. Some motherfuckers need to be removed from positions of power by any means necessary, up to and including violence.
That being said, should we not focus on restorative justice and rehabilitation? Why create unnecessary suffering in the process? The argument that things like the death penalty act as a deterrent doesn't seem to be borne out in the evidence. What good is served by torturing someone, even if they're the nastiest son of a bitch in existence?
It is important to make sure we don't let killing for sport seep into our ideology. Using violence against people is not something we should take pleasure in, let alone fantasize about. History has given us plenty of examples to draw from here; once you make a policy out of sadism, the group of people you use violence against only grows.
Also, porn is fine in moderation (like everything else) and can be made totally consensually, you terminally online freaks.
- Something Vimes had learned as a young guard drifted up from memory. If you have to look along the shaft of an arrow from the wrong end, if a man has you entirely at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man. Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you in fear. They want you to know you're going to die. So they'll talk. They'll gloat.
  They'll watch you squirm. They'll put off the moment of murder like another man will put off a good cigar.
  So hope like hell your captor is an evil man. A good man will kill you with hardly a word.
  Terry Pratchett, Men at Arms
  
  GNU Terry Pratchett
- Someone close to me was repeatedly raped by one of he neighbors from the age of 4 until she was 8. He did it to her sister and to his own daughter as well. For this the government gave him 6 years in prison. He was out before she graduated high school. She has a lifetime of shit to deal with because of his actions and I'm sure the other two do as well. There is nothing I wouldn't do to make that motherfucker suffer. I don't care if it's "good" or if it deters anyone else from doing it. There's no rehabilitation for someone like that or restoring what he took from them.

I am not a gambling man. but I would bet everything I own, these two are into some freaky shit.
- Weird TERF that is into transformers.
  
  well there you go. I have a strong sense for the perverse.

Right.. because women don't consume porn, right? Phew.
- They also don't produce it either apparently.
  
  OnlyFans is just propaganda. Just like Australia, it doesn't exist.

these people can't figure out why no one sits with them at lunch
- Very normal.
  
  what the fuck
  
  This person’s definitely got some trauma she’s not dealing with properly

Putting aside the psychotic torture fantasies of these unhinged weirdos, could I please give perspective?
I'm anti-pornography. I'm also a former sex worker. I don't think that no one should consume porn, but you need to realize how horrific the porn industry truly is. It's why I think people should consume amateur stuff, OF, and independent makers. Big name companies are abusive, full-stop. There are, of course, exceptions with smaller stuff, too, but if you knew what these women and girls AND many boys and men go through for the sake of porn, I hope you would be horrified and disgusted.
This is not a moralistic, prude, "Christian-viewpoint"-thing. Far from it! All I'm saying is that if most of y'all can be furious & boycott N×stlé for their human rights abuse, y'all should also look into ethical porn consumption.
- This is where I am at. Sex work was dehumanizing and traumatizing. I was recorded once during an assault. There’s a lot of problematic attitudes towards sex that make the industry damaging and dangerous.
  It’s just obnoxious that loons like this are so common in anti-porn spaces.
- I don't have any real disagreement, but I think the problem is capitalism. The abuses in sex work are more visceral, but capitalism will create horrors for a few pennies.
  
  capitalism guarantees it will always be more profitable to be immoral.
  i keep repeating it but it’s so simple and not said enough.
  if company A is concerned about morality and company B isn’t, and they’re both selling the same thing, company B will make more profit… they will eventually destroy company A.
  even with companies that advertise being super conscientious and make it part of their brand, it’s going to be more profitable to pretend to be than to actually be.
  so, buying from giant corporations will always be more evil than buying from small, good groups… and will always be cheaper.
  and of course, this applies to porn.
  from what i’ve read in AMA’s and such from ex-porn victims, the business model is basically trick them into signing disclaimers, drug and rape them, and then don’t pay them what they were told.
  i can’t watch regular porn anymore… not that it’s super healthy anyways… but with the big companies, you’re basically watching videos of a crime.
  even with sites like OF, people will pay a lot more for more fucked up stuff… stuff that damages your body… family and friends eventually find out and it fucks up lives in ways they didn’t expect….
  there’s no disclaimer about “eventually when you have kids, they’ll be picked on because they’ll find out their mom did porn… everyone at the PTA will gossip and know, and you’ll be treated with disrespect forever”.
- Which is a completely valid perspective, it’s stuff like this that is being posted that actually makes your perspective both be not noticed, why would it be when there is salacious and audacious takes to post and discuss but also undermines you, now some rando is going to read this and put you in this camp and automatically write you off as crazy and your ideas as immediately dismissible. The problem is that even if this is “rage bait” its existence and proliferation will silence you as a side effect, that’s the actual purpose of “rage bait”
- Amateur porn tends to be way better anyway. The ladies look way less plastic and sad, the moans aren't usually horribly overdone, and it's just hotter in general.
- 100% OF, Chaturbate, or whatever. Only ethical way to go. The actors are fully in control of what they're willing to do, and for how much.
  
  Mostly, there are cases (Colombia for sure to my knowledge) where girls work at call center-like facilities operating OF, Chaturbate, etc accounts and hand over a cut to the owners of the facility.
  Best case, it's a contractor studio where girls with little to no money/access to the Internet and decent hardware can make a bit of money. I'm sure there are worse cases and would rather not think about how people twist that model into slavery.
- Yeah, I know. Drugs to keep the dick hard. Drugs to keep everything not sensitive enough. Drugs to keep going for hours on end. Badly ventilated rooms that begin to smell too much like bodily fluids. I've heard the stories of a few cameramen who started their career filming porn.
  No wonder most "professionally" made porn always looks so fake to me.
  Personally, when it comes to porn I like drawn or animated much better.
  
  Well.. sure. That.
  
  The drugs just sometimes help to dull the pain. And make you forget. Sometimes.
- Yep
  That's why I do what I do. I hope that people can find something they like, for free, without the exploitation
  My fiancée and I want to make educational stuff for people too
  Some troll had already said that we must be ugly because we don't want to charge
- Hell yeah.
- but if you knew what these women and girls AND many boys and men go through for the sake of porn, I hope you would be horrified and disgusted
  What do they go through?

there are many valid reasons to dislike porn and the industry around it, why are all anti-porn communities so fucking weird?
between this and nofap im not sure who i want to hang around with the least honestly (and anyways these spaces are almost always filled with transphobes)
- For real - the industry is horrific. I don’t feel comfortable with the real stuff; I don’t like not knowing if that person was treated fairly or paid what they were promised or consented to everything that happened. Zero puritanical aspect to it, zero issue with smut and drawn images.
  It’s just frustrating how the weirdos are the ones most critical of the industry. The world would be better if all porn was stuff made by eager participants who were happy and paid well.
  
  Younger consumers seem to very disproportionately favor small studios and individual creators with actors who at least pretend to be enjoying themselves, so I think things are likely getting better, if maybe slowly.
- Because it's Christian extremism or the same but laundered through fake feminism
- Because while the porn industry might not be great, suppressing sexual desire like they do is unhealthy.
  To be human is to want sex. Everyone will at some point think or desire sex. Generally, unless you're a real rare case, you'll get horny once in a while.
  I've spoken with a few people like in the OP in the past, and they yell this anti-porn rhetoric as if they're trying to loudly drown out their own sexual desires.

This is written by people that want to stop you getting your jollies at watching people fucking, and get their jollies at watching people being dismembered.
One of these things is not like the other.

This is just rage bait.

Interesting that all the assumptions of torturing producers and consumers are geared toward men. As though women don't produce or consume porn.
- Or as if gay porn wasn't a thing. It is funny when you realize how anti-men people do mental gymnastics for this kind of stuff, yet on the same breath state that sex work is real work, when pointed at OF "models", or anything that is lucrative for women.
  
  So many people aren’t even anti-men, it’s just that they don’t respect women enough to consider them capable of anything distasteful(unless they can use it to force them to do things for them). It’s like how people lose their minds over trans women but say nothing about trans men. And, honestly, as a straight man from the start, we have a terrible history that, as a group, we are doing far too little to grow out of despite having so many tools and so much power available to us. I kinda get it.

they have no clue what percentage of people are porn consumers, huh?
- 91.5% of men and 60.2% of women herein reported having consumed pornography in the past month.
  
  I mean... Castrating 75% of the population would certainly put a damper on our rapid population growth, which would be good for everything except humans.
- There's a good chance they're porn consumers themselves and just feel weirdly shameful.

One could argue that showing cock&ball torture on a livestream is also a form of porn.

These takes bother me a lot less when I remember that there is a very high chance that the person making them is literally 14.

- The paranoia and moral panic around sex and media isn’t really new (every generation seems to have one)
  Yeah, but usually it happens after they have kids
- Yeah, you'll be surrounded by magical thinking, anti- intellectualism, or toxic positivity cottage core instead.
- Tumblr moderation also leaves a lot to be desired
  You don't like gawking at freakshit?
  It’s also very common to get death threats and harassment on tumblr.
  Oh noes: losers giving idle threats? The terror.
  If you’re willing to block early and often, you can find a solid community of people.
  We want a fake community?
  I think the freakshow is the attraction: something to laugh at & ridicule alone or with friends (if you have any). Like an art exhibit of sorts. This post right here does it.
  They're denouncing porn while indulging in torture porn: it's comically & titillatingly ironic.

I make porn
It features me, and when we get a chance (LDR), my fiancée
Our goal is to make erotic content that features regular (well, slightly unconventional admittedly...) people with regular bodies
We'd actually like to make stuff that is also educational
Whackos like this are deeply disturbed people
- so you like wave your fists in the air a lot or...
  /just joking, I don't give 1 or 2 shits
- Our goal is to make erotic content that features regular (well, slightly unconventional admittedly…) people with regular bodies
  So... are you saying you aren't hot? Because I kinda doubt the market penetration you'll get if you aren't hot.
  
  She's the most beautiful woman in the world
  She thinks I'm good looking
  She posts on reddit, and I used to. She is very popular! I had more of a cult following given the kind of content I make
  But, for obvious reasons, we're not showing our faces
  Also, we don't give a damn about market penetration. We don't charge, and we don't want to
  Educational content should be free, and we do it because we enjoy it. We don't want it to become a chore

nobody could have stopped child me from finding porn. I discovered social engineering the old fashioned way just to acquire consistent internet access, and I did entering without breaking that would get an adult in trouble to access computers with nobody around in more than one place. I taught my parents how to use computers and I protected them from viruses. there was no stopping me.
- Yeah, it's part of the reason I'm so good with IT. My stepmom was the systems engineer, and I had to figure out ways to get around her blocks and hide my tracks.
  
  Strict parents raise sneaky, cautious, and paranoid kids.
- I gave the pimply teenager at the quickymart $5 and he let me buy any magazines I wanted.
  ah the 80s....

Most of the good porn is amateur couples anyway. Wonder what their take on that would be.
- They're deeply unhealthy
  They will find some problem, even if it's one they just made up

Tumbler people need to touch grass apparently. That's the most 4chan thing I ever read from there

So voluntary watching of porn bad, mandatory watching of torture videos good? Or is this satire?
- This is not satire. Niiwa-Angel is a pretty active TERF, who also routinely posts about wanting to kill trans women.

These people are evil

Oh no, not porn! How dare a bunch of people have sex on camera! Just how dare they!

I'm sure Donald Trump never watched porn. He only hanged a bit with Epstein. And grabbed them by the pussy. And paid to sleep with a porn actress. But surely he never watched porn.
- also in the back changing room for miss America, shit he said about his daughter, his guilty sexual assault of e Jean carrol, sued that husband's can't rape their wives.
  just a god loving jesus fucking christian, what.

These are just the same type of extremists as the Christian fascists roaming free in the US right now. Gotta control people's naughty habits, we can't just leave people to have their fun, now can we?
It's the same type of people who claim that any penetration is automatically rape, doesn't matter if the girl likes it, wants it, it's rape, I tell you!
These people are insufferable

I only consume drawn porn. IDGAF if the artists torment their own creations, and considering how often Tumblrinas put their blorbos in the horrors I think they are also fine with it.
- ... and now i finally understand what blorbo means. i mean i still had to look it up but this prompted me to look it up and this time it actually clicked

This is where the Overton window has shifted to. We’re now debating whether modern capital punishment is too humane for porn producers.
- This is Tumblr. The overton window is about mainstream views.
  
  The Overton window on Tumblr, then. I recall it was very different before the owners banned sexual content.
- Overton window
  People here sure are obsessed with this. Turning it into a buzzword & using it in the oddest places, too.

What in the evangelical hell is this? Porn isn't bad

One really weird thing that stands out to me is
hard labour.......picking litter, picking produce, clearing mine fields, cleaning up Chernobyl
Ok, so picking vegetables and cleaning up rubbish; is somehow equivalent to clearing explosives or cleaning up nuclear contamination.
So strange.

Hey can you put a CW on this please? Really didn't want to read that unprepared :/

As someone who uses Tumblr regularly, this is a wild take wtf.

Watching porn is nearly as much fun as making porn. I have no fucking clue what these folks are ranting about.
- I assume the 4chan users have had to find a new base of operations, preferably with developers who actually know how to one do highly complex tasks such as install updates.
  
  4chan has been up again for a while now.
  But also, people can be horrible and not be on 4chan too. Just because you like the site doesn't mean there are no horrible people there spewing their shit.

every accusation is a...?

Making the exception for young boys stumbling across it has me wondering if this was a post on child pornography. The extreme punishments would make more sense too.
- No - radiant fem suggestions is the original post in the chain.
  
  Then there’s really no explanation other than she’s certifiably cuckoobananas.

Ye found tumblr

I thought it was Lemmy for a second.

I think that the ones who should be punished are the politicians and leaders that have allowed easy to access and free porn to be available to 12 year olds for decades now. While these puritanical pearl clutchers go after cigarettes, drugs, the wOKe AgeNda, piracy and anything else that makes it look like they actually give a shit about society; they've oddly turned a blind eye to kids consuming aggressive porn where women are treated like fleshlights and incest fantasies abound. Almost in the same way that they've turned a blind eye to the fact that being a priest makes you very likely to also be a pedo.