Was volcel a mistake?
Was volcel a mistake?
the study's age range was 10-24.
Article isnt even about video games
obviously there are many movies with pointless sex scenes that should have been cut or changef, but also some movies would work significantly less well without them
a lot of people have sex, and for many it's a big part of life and their relationships. anything that important irl should be represented in art
the volcel meme was always weird. like as someone with 20 something years of women experience it makes me deeply uncomfortable when i meet people like this irl. they almost always sexualize my body without my consent. i know most hexbears aren't doing it for creepy or misogynistic reasons but its still super uncomfortable. like its fine online as a meme but if i heard this irl im getting away from that person as quickly as possible. also 10-24 is quite young most of these kids will hopefully grow out of this. EDIT i am an old user i fully understand the site culture i was a minor when all the gross shit was happening in reddit.
They should poll 6 year olds and ask them if they find kissing on screen to be nasty and icky
the american zoomers are so progressive they're reinventing the hays code lmao
I don't think all physical intimacy should be wiped from media. I don't think we should act like breasts should be shielded at all costs because it makes people feel awkward due to being raised in a society that makes breasts naughty.
I think there's room for nude scenes and physical intimacy in movies, but the way its done sucks. Like you don't need to show the penetration, but a short sex scene and a segue to a couple cuddling and the occasional nip popping out is just real life.
When I was a kid my grandma took me to see the dukes of hazard movie. There's a scene where the duke boys are running through a dorm to get away from the sheriff and they run into a room of a bunch of college girls doing a topless pillow fight. My grandma didn't cover my eyes and gasp, she started cracking up because it was funny and silly and they're just breasts at the end of the day. I watched plenty of movies with my parents with a random nude scene and sure it was a little awkward but we laughed it off and if it was egregiously long we'd fast forward.
I understand people being tired of shitty hollywood sex scenes, but I don't think its good enough reason to do a 180 and never see a stray nip in a movie ever again. That just feels like a marvel capeshit attitude.
I’ll be okay with sex scenes in media when it’s well intentioned and comes from a place that isn’t saturated by western ideals of misogyny and body shaming. Not to mention the rampant sexual abuse and misogyny present in Hollywood.
Shit like Geralt seeing how many women he can bang for cool cards is objectifying af. Shit like bond banging the main woman of the movie every movie is objectifying af. Making the next bond a woman will not change that.
Also on a personal note I have misophonia and the sound of kissing is a big trigger.
47.5% of young people say that sex isn’t necessary for the plot of most TV shows and movies
10-24 is a pretty wide ass range for this. Curious if tweens, early teens, late teens, and early 20s differ in any major way. Honestly they should've just polled adults only from every generation, who cares what 12 year olds think
Nah tbh I support them. Nothing worse* than being really invested in a movie then they throw in a gratuitous sex scene that doesn’t move the plot forward at all and messes up the whole flow of the movie. Been saying it for years, not every movie needs a love story and a big sex scene
*hyperbole, there are absolutely worse things than this
i don't care because i don't watch movies but if you're going to show me two people steaming it up unprompted they better not be heterosexuals
"Sex is boring unless you're doing it."
-Ridley Scott
No hate to people with a consensual voyeur fetish and all but like...I would say the majority of sex scenes in mainstream films are entirely gratuitous. There are absolutely examples of sex scenes where I think they add to the characterization or story and removing them changes things (off the top of my head: American Psycho, and A History of Violence), but if you're putting sex in the movie because "OOOOH BOOBIES"....yeah...I grew up with internet porn. Its not all that exciting.
Definitely approve of less sex scenes in videogames (every videogame character I play becomes an asexual, because I have no interest in getting my videogame-man to videogame-plow the videogame-woman -- I'm just here for the combos, folks), and I would like a moratorium on depiction of sexual violence in basically all media until directors at least figure out not to shoot it like fetish porn.
As a strange personal anecdote (which may just be me snitching on myself really hard, but whatever) I've been in the room with people as they just casually watched hardcore pornography (which I still find baffling -- that there are people who will just, like, watch porn with their friend-group), and somehow that was less awkward than watching a movie with those same friends that had an unexpected sex scene. I'm genuinely not sure what to make of that.
Agree from me. Why does every single show have to have at least one graphic R scene? Videogame sex scenes are silly to me because it's like making action figures take off their clothes and mash them together
I feel like people often ask for more nuance when what they want is more context. Whether not sex is appropriate for a given piece of media is almost entirely contextual.
i'm barely outside the age range of this study and i don't like sex in media because i'm a pathetic basement dwelling troglodyte incel and it makes me sad to remember that sex exists and that other people recieve love and/or attraction sometimes.
edit: this is not ironic, if anything its a bit self deprecating and exaggerated but not much.
The going theories that I like are either that alienation and the internet have seriously messed people up, or that this is part of a recursive feedback loop with the conglomeration of media under bigger and bigger corporations. The corps want a bland product they can sell to as many people as possible. Alienated viewers, desperate for connection, watch the bland corporate product and assimilate some part of it into their self-identity.
Back when, independent productions could take more leeway on these things, risk making a movie or publishing a book that might make most people uncomfortable but would become part of the counter-culture. But now there is no independent media, and no counter-culture.
But I'm talking out of my ass, of course. I'm no culture critic or sociologist. This is just cobbled together from online discourse, could be dead wrong.
I'd love to see the conventional practice of having at least a nude/sex/love scene in every big picture wither away. Most of the time, it's introduced as a formulaic ingredient in the reigning recipe that is Hollywood-ism which has negatively influenced other foreign film industries. Nothing worse than inorganically shoehorned sex scenes in what would otherwise still be perfectly enjoyable, well-rounded films.
I speak from experience of deciding what to watch with my family when I was young. We'd have to flick through the content warning section of IMDB so my parents would know when to skip forward or cover my eyes. It's annoying and doesn't add that much value, if any. Well-written chemistry can reveal physical intimacy without overtly showing it. I say that while keeping in mind that sometimes it can be appropriate, if thematically or stylistically applied.
i might like sex scenes more if most of them weren't so male-gaze-y, but since most are im really not interested in watching softcore porn for a few minutes, no. i didn't think that was a hot take actually so im surprised this struggle session is so long lol
you can definitely have sex scenes that are good and adding to the work, but i think that's unrelated to wanting less sex in media in general. im kind of weirded out by how many people are saying that wanting such is puritan nonsense
definitely agree with the other poster who mentioned how people who still live with their parents want less sex scenes in movies, lmao.
but more to developing a critical theory of mass culture... I am curious if there is some effect of using sex appeal to literally sell everything for the last several decades dovetailing with the constant hijacking done by the attention economy. our brains are constantly trying to filter out unhelpful sensations while billions of dollars are spent trying to insert those sensations to the front of the cognitive experience, and sex appeal is the #1 vehicle for it.
when it comes to media, the sudden appearance of some tittilating visuals tends to fill me with annoyance anymore. like I'm conditioned to associate it with some thought terminating pitch or attempt to undermine my self worth.
ITT exactly what you'd expect.
We have two options. Too much poorly done sexual material in a work, or none. I would prefer none to having every female character having to be attractive and breedable at all times. Like remember the Pixar face controversy where all of the fem characters have to be conventionally attractive? That is the kinda thing we meen when we talk about volcel. If in the next Thor movie captain America and Bucky fuck without a condom and the other avengers have to explain about the modern world to them everyone here would appreciate that scene.
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The capitalist commodification of sex and its consequences
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Sex in videogames sucks anyway.
I decided I would post something here just in case anyone was going to ping me with an assumed version of how I feel about this, and by this I mean Baldur's Gate 3, which isn't directly about the article but BG3 is in the thumbnail anyway so here we go.
Baldur's Gate 3 is good. The sex in it is fine. I'm ride-or-die for Karlach.
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That said, it's a bit contrived that pretty much every character is technically pansexual just to be "into you" no matter what your chosen character happens to be. I think BG3 would have a tighter and less sloppy narrative overall if it did what predecessors did and actually gated romance potential behind plot milestones instead of having an avalanche of "uh oh, you're in camp, and pretty much everyone you didn't outright make an enemy of is batting their eyelashes at you again" invitations just for the sheer possibility of having them.
For me it actually damages the immersion a little bit for people I barely interacted with in camp to have the hots for me and more than that act as if I already intimately know them and they have a long pent up kindred spirit feeling for my character. Some of it is the limitation of a very complex story tree that the studio was working with, but for me that's exactly why I would have preferred some more direct and deliberate plot/story gating before romance/sex potential to at least hide the absurdity that my character is apparently universally hot and the potential soul mate of everyone I travel with.
There's some sanctimony in this thread already about how dialing back even the slightest notch of le sexy sex would make BG3, apparently, "for babies" and maybe even against art itself or that people that prefer less sex/nudity up front are (CW: "ironic" ableism)
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insane,
but I think that's excessively defensive bullshit. It's possible to have sex and full frontal nudity in fiction without it necessarily being exactly the presented amount as-is or more or else it's "for babies" in some ratchet effect "must be as horny as previous product or more horny at all times, or else it's badwrongfun" overreaction against treat criticism.
This wraps around all the way to my take on the actual linked article: it's kind of fucked up for some here to assume that Gen Z viewers of entertainment (or fellow Hexbears that have already stated their opinions here) are all, quote, "babies" or maybe "against art itself" or some fashionably "just kidding, unless" ableist term if they prefer less sex gimmicks in their fiction.
The Volcel agenda is going strong, you love to see it :volcel-judge-smiling:
Thumbnail makes it look like he's looking at a tit
Quality over quantity
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