Totally logical and expected functionality
Totally logical and expected functionality
Context: this is a legit screenshot I took on my workplace around 1.5 years ago. Hopefully it's been patched by now? Completely ridiculous behavior
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Badly shielded USB3 causes RF leaks at 2.4GHz. use 5Ghz WiFi or better shielded devices.
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This is the answer.
Some early wifi routers with USB ports on them had the same issue.
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Charging from the left side isn't all that either, some macbook pro models actually become slower due to thermal throttling because charging from the left creates heat closer to the CPU. Resulting in a significant CPU slowdown.
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What an amazing screwup
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Apple users have to jump through so many hoops just to look down on everyone else
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I know nobody asked, but the reputation Macs have amongst IT industry professionals is insanely annoying to me. I guess it's a difference between what I like in a laptop versus what other people like in them.
I've seen developers working for FAANGs unironically praise the M1 Macbooks as work machines. And I'm just sitting here, like...why? You are locked into an inferior operating system that becomes progressively more janky the deeper you get into its configuration. I have one and the damn thing has an option to change the "modifier key" for the fucking mouse, so you can change your mouse's modifier key to its ctrl or shift key, apparently. Y'know, in case your standard 20 dollar Logitech wired mouse, like the one I'm using, has shift and modifier keys. Just super useful /s. It randomly had slack muted after installing it, so I could never get message notifications until I figured out what to alter after digging through the guts of its terrible system configuration UI. It can't remember the order of attached displays and half the time I have to rearrange them after resuming it from hibernation. If you want to do basic window manager things, like press the meta key (also referred to as the windows key on non-macbooks) + direction arrow to have a window snap to a quadrant of your screen, you have to install a 3rd party application with Homebrew. Its keyboard is that weird, unresponsive, flat form factor that makes it a nightmare to actually use as a portable device. With any luck you don't have to compile anything for it, because...you probably won't be able to. Perhaps most annoying is the fact that, even if you want to use it as a full desktop replacement and plug in 3 monitors with the same resolution into it at a desk (most Macs have at least passable 3rd party dock support), the Mac just won't let you. It only lets you plug in 2 and it duplicates one of those two onto the 3rd one. If you want to plug in 3, you technically can: you just have to download 3rd party displaylink drivers, which, knowing Apple, probably won't fucking work and might permanently fuck up your display.
I get that it's a relatively powerful computer for the ludicrous amount of battery life it gives you, but that's purely because it's an extremely optimized ARM based processor that's only designed to work with this specific operating system. I also get that machines running Linux also have their own problems, but you aren't paying for whatever Linux distro you're running (probably) and you also have the power to change things with a little bit of effort. If I'm buying a machine like an M1, where the OS is presumably part of the whole "package," it should just work well out of the box.
Beyond those complaints, it's got good speakers and never produces any heat. Honestly, the only good things about the machines are those hardware elements: the speakers, battery life, and lack of heat. If they could run linux and had decent keyboards, I might like them. But Apple is practically an antonym for FOSS at this point. I also have a Thinkpad X1 Carbon, which is physically a worse machine: it gets hot, has a fraction of the battery life, etc. But you can install any Linux distro (that isn't Nix based, sadly) to it without issue and its keyboard makes it actually tolerable to code on for extended periods. I wonder if the people that really like the M1s like them because it's the laptop equivalent of an iPhone.
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I believe many of the display issues were fixed with the M2. And you don't need brew to install a window manager, although the fact that brew lets you treat it like a linux box is great.
The system configuration is more about what you're used to than anything else. I haven't used Windows in a couple of decades, and I absolutely hate it. Can't even think of going back. The modern version looks like a tablet OS trying to pass as a desktop OS. Give me a Windows machine and the first thing I'll do is wipe it clean and install Ubuntu. But I'm also sure Windows is great for you. So it's what we're used to. Nothing wrong with it.
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It never produces heat. Until it does and my word does it. I've been getting the slack issues and display issues as well. Also found out today the provided calendar hasn't actually been sending off my invite responses to anyone and got called in for not letting people know which meetings I was attending.
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I use Mac for work (post audio) and Gentoo for fun on an Intel machine.
MacOS does not do well if you dig in to it like it's a Linux box.
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The absolutely number one thing that allowed me to actually use the thing though was Yabai+SKHD. Tiled windows and the full customization of hotkeys make this thing so much more usable and, frankly - surprisingly - it’s grown on me.
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For your next laptop you should try the framework and laptop, theyre very cool
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Does it bother you that you can’t grasp a simple feature like Mouse Keys?
https://support.apple.com/en-au/guide/mac-help/mh27469/14.0/mac/14.0
Your rant is completely misguided but I thought I would at least point out something useful.
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The vast majority of comments here complaining about Mac and macOS specifically seem to stem from really, really not understanding much about them. This comment is unfortunately not any different.
I’ve seen developers working for FAANGs unironically praise the M1 Macbooks as work machines.
The FAANG companies that fight tooth and nail to hire the best people who can basically work wherever they want because of their skill like Macs? Surely, they're the dumb ones.
I have one and the damn thing has an option to change the “modifier key” for the fucking mouse
Originally, and for quite a while (probably early 2000's) Macs shipped with a one button mouse, and there was no concept of a "right-click." Originally, they were pretty dogmatic that the OS should be simple enough that one button was enough. You shouldn't need to hide functionality in a context menu, it should be available through the standard UI. Eventually, that lost out, but they decided they wanted to make context menus (or other "right-click" actions) a power user feature, rather than a default. So the decided to make it make sense for all of the machines that had always shipped with one button mice, you could hold ctrl and then click an item and you'd get the context menu. For decades now, they support right click, but if you built up years of muscle memory around ctrl+clicking instead, you still can.
like press the meta key
You like the meta key? Probably better thank Apple. Apple has had a "meta" key basically forever, only it's been called "command." I'm old enough to remember when more manufacturers started to add their own meta keys. If you go grab an older keyboard, you'll probably find they also have a "context menu" button, which is basically a "right-click" and you almost def won't find one now.
you want to do basic window manager things
Lots of people in this thread seem to really, really like being able to window snap, which I kind of get but also generally disagree with. macOS (again, going back a thousand years) has a different philosophy when it comes to managing windows. On [MS] Windows, pretty much all software aims for full screen, and users def do the same. Window snapping now means you have a convenient way to see 2 whole things. If you really, really want window snapping similar to how MS does it, there are a hojillion ways to accomplish this with very simple app installs. macOS has instead tried to make it so that you can manage multiple apps/windows easily without full screen, going back to tiny, tiny screens.
But let's talk about "basic window manager things" for a sec. Windows has easily, and I mean easily had the worst window management generally for like 2 decades. Windows 10 and Windows 11 help catch up to things I switched off of Windows and to Linux for in like, 2004. Expose, or "Task View" as it's now called in Windows started in macOS, and was adopted in Linux in the mid 2000's. Not until Windows 10, and not even the first version, do we get that. Ditto for virtual desktops. In Windows, I can press alt-tab and switch between any open app. In macOS, I can press cmd+tab and switch between any open app, but I can also press cmd-` and switch between an app's windows. In Windows, I can minimize windows to the task bar just as I can in macOS. However, I can also just choose to hide all app windows, or hide all windows except the app I'm looking at. And on macOS, I can use hot corners (which Windows barely touches with its "show desktop" hotcorner, sort of) which I can configure however I want. I can throw my mouse in any corner of the screen and get more "basic window manager things" than exist on Windows.
Its keyboard is that weird, unresponsive, flat form factor that makes it a nightmare to actually use as a portable device
If you have one the bad butterfly keyboards, yes. If not, this is nonsense. All laptop keyboards are bad, mac versions (with the very large caveat that the butterfly keyboards were insanely stupid/bad) are generally better.
I get that it’s a relatively powerful computer for the ludicrous amount of battery life it gives you, but that’s purely because it’s an extremely optimized ARM based processor that’s only designed to work with this specific operating system.
How is this supposed to be a negative? If we zoom out a little, this comment might as well be "oh sure, you can get your fancy graphic effects when you use a, what did you call it? graphics processing unit?" And even then, this is still not really accurately understanding why Apple has absolutely dominated CPU in mobile, and then is crushing in the class of laptop/desktop processors it competes in.
But Apple is practically an antonym for FOSS at this point.
Aside from darwin, the kernel macOS runs on, Webkit, the browser engine that Chrome forked from, or passkeys, the thing that might replace passwords, you're still really wrong.
Beyond those complaints, it’s got good speakers and never produces any heat. Honestly, the only good things about the machines are those hardware elements: the speakers, battery life, and lack of heat.
How about screens? Trackpad? Physical material, etc?
I also have a Thinkpad X1 Carbon, which is physically a worse machine: it gets hot, has a fraction of the battery life, etc.
"I can get vastly less done, and it's going to be more uncomfortable the entire time."
I wonder if the people that really like the M1s like them because it’s the laptop equivalent of an iPhone.
Lots of misunderstanding here, but I'm already a phone book in.
really, they probably never would have added right clicks, but as more software adopted right click actions, especially cross platform stuff like Adobe software, they pretty much had to.
they've basically ceded the extreme high end. If you really want the most performant CPU and power\heat aren't a concern, it's not Apple. -
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Seriously. I have a co-worker that tries to convert everyone to use apple products. The iPad I have from work needs to have a battery charged to x% before you can turn it on, no matter if a charger is plugged in.
Oh, you want to change the default search engine in Safari? Here, pick one out of this list or gtfo. You want to use add-ons in Firefox? Ha! They're not certified, so there's no native expansion shop on iOS.
Thanks, I like to customize my own OS and not be bullied into what I'm allowed to do with it.
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That isn’t an iDevice specific issue. It’s how a ton of mobile devices handle charging of the battery for various reasons, including the obvious one of you being mid boot and losing power to the device.
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Apple: "You're not using your mac how we designed it to. Please pay $4000 more to use the right side usb-c without issues".
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"You're
holdingplugging it in wrong."
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Imagine buying a computer with only two ports.
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Woman came to give a presentation at work without an hdmi port in her laptop.
Was dumbfounded at lack of ports. Thought only apple was this closed but it was a cheapo windows
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Maybe you were holding it wrong
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Oh, I forgot about that one! Apple are full of shit. Also "it's not a bug, it's a feature" is a classic.
Whoops, it seems the last one isn't from Apple, I guess I've just seen it used about their products so many times I assumed it originated from them...sorry about that. I shouldn't go around the internet assuming things.
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I'm amazed at how many professionals use Macs because Apple seems to hate power users. I had to use a Mac briefly recently and was amazed to find they still don't have window snapping.
It also had no idea what to do with my monitor, couldn't even detect the correct resolution. I'm guessing if I had bought a $3000 Apple monitor it would have worked immediately. But had to dive into "advanced settings" just to set the correct resolution.
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check out Rectangles my dude (obviously doesn't come with it but in case you're looking)
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This is the way.
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So how are you supposed to use multiple windows on it? Are there any alternativees for that?
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As wraithcoop suggested, you can install additional software like rectangle to do the job. But why is that necessary in 2023? Window snapping has existed forever on Linux DEs and Windows since Vista.
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Apple power users are people who actually want to use Linux but think it's bad (except for audio professionals because Macs actually have a monopoly on audio latency/pipelining)
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they hate power users less than Microsoft
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Yeah, no, as a power user mac is actively fucking painful to work around. Anything beyond skin deep configurations require going through seven layers of shitty menus, and even then a lot of shit you have to with command line, and don’t even get me fuckin started on that trash.
How can a premium product have the worst goddamn command line in the industry? Jfc MSDOS is more goddamn useful.
My point is, if you want brain dead simple, works ever time, but only if you do it the exact specific way intended, go for Mac… but keep that bullshit off of an enterprise network.
If you want to do literally anything that’s technically involved and need your system to more or less work out of the box? Windows reigns supreme.
You want to make something work exactly the way you want, using whatever hardware you want, and have complete and total control over your functionality and information? Linux all the way.
The brain dead windows hate is stupid. It’s an adequate OS for what it was originally made to do- run information infrastructure for businesses. Don’t be retarded.
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They downvote you, but after spending time writing powershell scripts, I can confirm that I absolutely fucking loathe microsoft products now.
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Well they have a (open source to point out) app called powertoys made directly for power users, I must say it's pretty great, and just the ability to have a launcher is making this a 8/10 app for me
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Not to talk shit about Mac users, but in this day and age with how advanced technology is, you have to be insane to buy a Mac. What kills it for me is that nothing is upgradeable on the damn thing, like zero. If your internal drive dies, you're SOL. And if I got this correctly, they now have the bios OS on the same drive, the Internal. So, you won't even be able to get to your bios. You won't be able to install the OS on external hard drive in case you needed to. This is insane and I can never understand why anyone would buy into this shit.
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Mac users, and actually most laptop users, don't give a shit about the things you mention. They buy it, use it for some 2-5 years, then sell it and get a new model. Upgrading hardware is way too complicated for most people. They don't know or care what a BIOS is. It comes with the OS installed and that's the only thing they would ever want. Turn it on, use Safari, outlook, and office 365, maybe some tool like Photoshop/Ableton/etc, that's it.
I mean iPhones are the same right? They lock down everything so it's idiot proof and they control the environment exactly so they can maximise the smoothness of the experience.
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I half agree but the idea that Macs aren't as expressive or versatile as any other laptop is so antiquated now. More than half of the software engineering industry is using macs as primary machines.
Why? Because the software and hardware gets out of the fucking way and let's you focus on getting things done. I remember a time before Macs were the popular choice and I remember everyone spending 25% of their time fighting with drivers or obscure machine-specific software install or development build issues.
Even getting rid of the bloat is easy. Highlight apps, drag them to recycle bin, done. And as you said, a 3-5 year upgrade cycle makes the premium far less of an issue.
I certainly have family members that use Macs because they are tech illiterate, but that's further evidence of their versatility.
There's so much to shit on Apple for, but the myth of Macs being in some obscure home computer niche needs to die.
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Good luck getting Log working in 4K for recording video on Android.
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M1 and M2 Macs have some of the worst pre-boot and recovery options I have ever seen.
If a BIOS update fails on them, they don't have any redundancy to fail back to a working BIOS. This has been standard on every business machine for at least 5 years. On any Dell or Lenovo machine, if your BIOS becomes borked, it either auto-recovers from a previous BIOS that is stored on your HDD/SSD, or it allows you to insert a USB drive with the BIOS on it and recovers from there.
The Mac BIOS can update during a standard OS update without indicating that you'll brick the machine if it powers off for any reason.
I had someone with a failed update on an M2 Mac that left the machine without a BIOS entirely. To recover, you need another Mac machine with USBC so you can plug them into each other and run Apple Configurator 2 to start a complete redownload of the OS to recover from.
It's at least an hour long process for something that should take 5 minutes to fix. Also, it requires another Mac, you can't run the recovery from any other OS.
Absolute baloney from Apple.
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Damn, that's sounds so painful. One more reason why I'll never buy one I guess. lol
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The Mac BIOS can update during a standard OS update without indicating that you’ll brick the machine if it powers off for any reason
I hate Apple, but my Lenovo does exactly the same. It fucking installs BIOS updates automatically without any warning. Once, after a reboot it was hanging too much on a black screen and I thought it just froze, so I forced a shutdown by long pressing the power button. Luckily the BIOS restored via the fallback, but that wiped the TPM for some reason and because windows 11 on laptops automatically encrypts the drive with bitlocker I might have lost everything (luck again, I'm part of the 1% of the bitlocker users that actually keep an offline backup of the encryption key)
At least (I'm guessing, never bought any M1 Mac and will never do it) apple should be smart enough to disable the power button during BIOS updates, and maybe postpone the update on a low battery, leaving the danger only to desktop users
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The arm macs are really fast and the battery life is great. With that said I'm not shelling out for one. I'll gladly take one if my job pays for it.
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I get the fast and the battery life and all that, but by principle, I just can never own one. I also never buy any windows laptop that is not upgradeable. I keep them for a while and want to be able to upgrade them. That's why I've been thinking of getting a framework laptop.
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I couldn't imagine buying any laptop other than a Mac because the performance to battery life ratio on everything else is awful. Plus if you want a UNIX system, it's an easy buy.
After owning an Apple ARM laptop I'd never go back to anything else.
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I have an M1 Macbook Air (under half price secondhand thanks to a superficial dent on a corner) and while I agree I love having such powerful hardware that sips battery so sparingly, MacOS can go eat a whole bag of stale dicks. Homebrew makes it... tolerable, but I'm holding out hope for that new Qualcomm ARM laptop - the recent benchmarks beat Apple's chips handily.
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hear hear, if it has problem then I take it to apple store for service. I don't wanna waste time fucking about on my laptop. I'll do trouble shooting on desktop but I just want long battery life and apple silicone beat the fuck out of anything else.
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I'll tell you why: the best hardware and software that just works with it. No need to deal with drivers or any of that shit.
I still use my MacBook Pro 2011 and I can't find a reason to change it. It just keeps working. And I say that with a 2023 MacBook Pro M2 sitting right next to it (work laptop). Sure, it's faster, but that's it.
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Random computer quirks always fascinate me. The strangest one I had involved a computer that shouldn't have existed.
One time in the early aughts I had a patchwork computer that I put together from the junk pile of a local computer store that a buddy of mine ran.
It was barely holding together in a rusty frame, with zip ties and wood glue.
Its modem was temperamental as hell. It would only stay online so long as it was pinging a website via command prompt. It was only some websites, too. Like I could ping Geocities, but not livejournel.
I remember many weekends doing Mephisto runs in Diablo II, praying that my command prompt doesn't bug out anytime I'd get anything worthwhile.
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I have a personal server, mostly acting as a NAS but with some web hosting as well. For whatever reason, it randomly freezes until you manually power cycle it, it happens really often, like every 20 minutes.
Turns out it's due to some weird interaction between debian and older ryzen CPUs, if the CPU isn't busy it just dies. Solution? A Minecraft server, with no one on it, it keeps the CPU just busy enough to keep it alive. I've had it running for months at a time with no issues.
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You're too late. My brothers have escaped you.
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I could ping Geocities, but not livejournel
I have a theory about how that may have happened...
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So that’s why Apple removed all USBC ports on the right side of Macs… (M series air and 13” pro have this issue)
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My PC went through a phase of switching off when you accessed the network share with my pictures on it.
I could access it locally. I could use other network shares.
It stopped doing that when I swapped the PSU.
Fuck computers, I want to live in a cave.
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Did you try swapping the cables first?
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Windows 7 forgets your wifi password if you plug the dongle into a different port.
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I still randomly see myssid 4 (or some other random number) on Windows 11 with no explanation.
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There was an old bug up through at least XP (maybe gone by SP3, but I don't remember) where there would be certain SSIDs or network names that incremented because of how networking was implemented. I'm doubtful it's the same thing, but you could try searching there for a start.
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FBI birds.
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Did I stutter?
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Laughs in framework with four identical USB-C ports that can do anything
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That's actually not true, and framework has similar issues. There was vampire power drains from certain mix and match options with HDMI and USB-C ports.
https://community.frame.work/t/tracking-high-battery-drain-during-suspend/3736
On the AMD framework, the upper right and left USB-C ports are slightly different from the lower ports
https://community.frame.work/t/usb4-and-thunderbolt-on-amd/30771
I love my framework laptop, but we shouldn't pretend that they are free from quirks that plague other brands.
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Fascinating. Good to know...
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My Mac book pro from 2019 charges properly on 3 of the 4 USB c ports it has. I have tried everything to get the 4th to work. All other peripherals work on that port. When I first got it, all ports worked. I feel this persona pain.
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I can't remember which model it was, but wasn't there a MacBook Pro that had 4 USB-C ports, only two of which supported Thunderbolt? Want to connect your monitor to the right side of the machine? Well... tough shit, I guess.
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That’s especially weird considering “pure” USB-C can support 4K/144Hz/HDR with DSC. I guess they just aren’t connected to the M1/M2 GPU.
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As far as I’m aware, all the MacBook Pros with 4 USB C ports, both the 13 and 15/16inch from 2016 until the Apple Silicon ones arrived, were all Thunderbolt certified. I also remember in a few of the teardowns from iFixit that those devices also has one Thunderbolt controller per side.
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I'm having the same issue at work at the moment. When I connect to my dual monitor setup at work, all my usb devices stop working. Mouse, keyboard, the internal camera, monitors... All dead till you reboot, then they work for 10 Minutes again.
Now i have the same Monitor setup at home, no issues here. Mind you, it's a Lenovo ThinkPad with Lenovo monitors and it worked for years without issues.
The Lenovo technician told our IT guy that's because my monitor setup at home is another generation with a different chipset in the usb hub/switch. After giving us a few tips that didn't work, like disconnecting the Monitors from power for a minute or using a different port on the notebook they defaulted to "You're shit out of luck because the support ends after 4 years" - The monitors are 4 years old.
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Thanks for your input. I think there's some software bug causing this, the same hardware worked without issues for years and now, not all of us are affected (all devs are using the same laptop) Anyways, I won't waste too much time analyzing this, I'm doing mostly home office as a workaround and the ops guys are going to take a look next week.
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MacBook USB-C can be goofy. I know for restoring firmware (which Apple refers to as "reviving"), on some models, you have to use a very specific port
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Somewhat tangential, but USB-C docking stations, as useful as it is to have everything in one cable, it can also be annoying.
At the office, I often just want to charge my laptop with them, but they also give me a wired internet connection, which, thanks to corporate networking shitfuckery, doesn't work. So, every time I plug in, I have to disable that wired connection.
Also, recently a colleague had problems getting her headset working when she was plugged into certain docks, ultimately due to a bug in the OS.
Like, alright, that should be fixed in the OS, but that USB-C dock doesn't even have a speaker attached to it. It's completely useless that it shows up as an audio device.
And even after we found a workaround to fix her headset, she will now have to switch over her audio device every time she plugs into a dock.So, basically it's now one step to plug in the cable, but potentially multiple steps to undo half of what you unwillingly plugged in...
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Can't you just unplug the dock from the wired connection instead?
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I can, but it's a shared workplace, so I can't just leave it unplugged.
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I have to disable that wired connection.
Sounds like it never works... Why not just unplug the ethernet...
It’s completely useless that it shows up as an audio device.
Does it have HDMI? It might be a digital out over hdmi.
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For some laptop models you can disable switching to ethernet in the BIOS.
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Get a condom
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I just love how the other person immediately knew there could be a difference between the left and the right USB port.
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Well, that's because they probably know one of the ports is Thunderbolt one plain USB.
USB-C only appears to make things easier, actually it's all fucked up, sure the ports are the same, but you have no chance of determining what's behind it by just looking at it.
But surely there's the advantage of only needing one type of cable? Well, only if you're willing to spend extraordinary amounts on your cables, there's a reason for the extreme price differences. You don't know if all the pins are connected, the shielding may be different and if you choose wrong power rating, your cable may overheat. So to sum up: you still need different cables, but now they're undistinguishable.
Welcome to the world of tomorrow!
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My current and previous jobs provided macbooks for "security" and the one with my last job would not charge on the right USB ports. I assumed this was just expected, like only one side was actually hooked up to the battery while the other was just for data transfer.
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I think you can just lockdown the bios with a super strong password to get the similar security as macbook, no? Since I think the only one major security feature avaliable on mac, but not on PC, is a locked down bois, so attacker cannot install a malicious OS.
Assuming your bios is reasonably secure and you are using a reasonable OS with reasonable security feature enabled (like linux with LUKS and TPM auto-unlock, or windows with bitlocker), PC should be reasonably secure compare to a mac.
I would love to know what other security features mac provides that is not avaliable on a PC.
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Unix based systems tend to be able to be hardened to a higher level than windows devices. Apple provides a lot of apis for preventing unsigned code from running, which can go a long way beyond a locked down bootloader.
It's less that they're intrinsically more secure, it's just that it's a bit easier for a determined admin to lock it way further down while also not irritating the user.
I seem to recall Chromebooks are even better, but you sacrifice a lot more.
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Ugh, luckily I've been able to choose my hardware and OS for the past... 16 years at work. I would hate to use somebody else's choice of desktop for programming. Actually once said no to a work offer when they said they'll give only MacBooks for the people.
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On my Mac studio m2, half of my USBC ports on the back don't seem to connect well to my 4k monitor. I suspect it must be a shielding issue on the Mac
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"We conform to the open standard, but only to the parts that we like"
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Are both ports otherwise equal specs-wise?
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Yea... I hate the shit out of M$FT but I'm still never going to buy a fucking Mac.
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My opinion is that apple makes some very nice products and they tend to work together well, since they control all the hardware and software. However, their products are overpriced and I can get similar performance at half the cost from other vendors.
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That's pretty much where I am too - I especially dislike the effective vendor lock in. I just want to be able to buy commodity hardware to solve problems if I encounter them.
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