Are school teachers bourgeois?
Are school teachers bourgeois?
Consider:
-holders of advanced degrees and credentials (gatekeeping)
-assigns labour (literally called worksheets!) to pupils (proles)
-gives out sanctions, extra work, and bad reviews to punish bad work behaviour
-literally trained in discipline
-sharing of knowledge is forbidden, calls it cheating
-insists that you not work directly with your best friend, assigns you pairwork with a gender you're not yet comfortable with
-according to most media, teachers are the most liberal profession
-creates quarterly performance reports for workers, stressing constant need to improvement (report cards)
-have direct access to whiteboard markers and notebooks, the means of instruction!
If any of you try to take this seriously and make a struggle session I will personally come to your house and make you eat a bar of soap like you're 7 years old and said a bad word.
I am once again begging for hexbear users to learn that bourgeois is not just a synonym for bad.
Appeal to authority fallacy. Wow.
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wow what a bourgeois take
If I learned anything, it's that the true bourgeois are the ones calling others bourgeois. It's just projection and fear of being found out.
don't open if you're a liberal
this is sarcasm
(Whispering) ...Are women bourgois?
I['m pretty sure I] know this is a joke, however
No. Teachers do not make their living by owning capital, and thus are not bourgeois.
No.
Next question.
They were when they gave me homework
The intended purpose of public schooling is to prepare children for a job ie sell their labor to a capitalist. It's not some sort of secret; every public school will tell you this. Public grade school is designed to simulate working at a job. Public school teachers simulate the management of a job.
School teachers are not bourgeois.
No, but as Engels first noticed in "Conditions..." about fledgling British education system for proletarians, they are part of inteligentsia specifically tasked to instill burgeois sentiments in proletarians.
Historically situation was improved under socialism, but you can't just replace entire teacher cadre after revolution, that could easily cripple your education system and in consequence economy and state. And thus in new socialist states in Europe (for example) teachers were the same and education system still instilled bourgeois sentiments and nationalism (not to mention other issues like in Poland after 1945 teachers came from mainly Kraków, Wilno and Lwów school of thouoghts because only those cities had Polish education centers after partitions, so it was carried over interwar period, spreading obscurantism, blind nationalism, russophobia and ending up polonising several minorities like Kaszubs or Silesians).
Historically situation was improved under socialism, but you can't just replace entire teacher cadre after revolution, that could easily cripple your education system and in consequence economy and state. And thus in new socialist states in Europe (for example) teachers were the same and education system still instilled bourgeois sentiments and nationalism (not to mention other issues like in Poland after 1945 teachers came from mainly Kraków, Wilno and Lwów school of thouoghts because only those cities had Polish education centers after partitions, so it was carried over interwar period, spreading obscurantism, blind nationalism, russophobia and ending up polonising several minorities like Kaszubs or Silesians).
The solution to this in my opinion would be to create a new school. Call them "Academies" or something. These new schools would be constructed with the specific purpose of recruiting and teaching in a socialist way. Providing specific teacher training for these Academies is easier to have teachers accept because they know damn well they're applying to a new and different type of institution when they apply for the job.
You construct more and more of these over time alongside the old schools and slowly phase them out. You can also gather data demonstrating that the Academies provide better results which reinforces acceptance in phasing out the old ones.
Yes this was actually attempted, but didn't work, because the academia and broader inteligentsia resisted the attempt to replace them, and furthermore, the new socialist cadre was necessarily educaded by the old burgeoisie one.
Non European socialist countries succeeded more with this, since they started with lower level and they had actual revolutions unlike euro socialists, but the thawing after 68 got them too.
"Is wearing underwear bourgeois?"
are women bourgeoisie?
Yes, the bourgeoisie are bad. Ergo ex factorio, all bad things are bourgeoisie.
QED
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No. Read theory.
Absolutely not
I know this is a joke but...
The school system can, and definitely has been oppressive. They have imposed cultural norms of the dominant class or colonial rulers, and worse, have actively suppressed, punished and taught to be ashamed of local cultures.
I'm no expert and I believe it has been worst with natives in the Americas and in Africa. However, I'll consider the case with which I'm most familiar as an example.
I'm from Belgium, which has been invaded or ruled by a succession of foreign powers throughout its history (namely Gauls, Romans, Franks, Burgonds, Austrians, Spaniards, French, Dutch). Which has made the region ethnically diverse. To simplify, there are two main language families: those germanic, descendant from frankish (flemish, brabantic, limburgish...) and those romance, descendant from latin (waloon, picard, lorrain...).
At the end of the 19th century, nationalism arose and with it mandatory schooling. It was thought by the bourgeoisie that the local languages were inferior to french and that it was important that the people spoke the same language (more efficient army and economy). Hence, the pupils were forbidden to speak their mother tongues, punished, humiliated and encouraged to denounce peers. Such tactics were used in the whole of (currently) french-speaking europe (cf. the occitan "vergonha").
This idiocide didn't work with the germanic people who opposed it politically with the "flemish mouvement". The flemish bourgeoisie finally adopted standard dutch, very close to brabantic dialects, and imposed it in their region. Other languages are still in use but dwindeling due to lack of state recognition.
But it totally worked on the romance, southern region. French, a foreign language controlled from abroad is now the mother tongue of 100% of the population. Very few speak the native languages. Indoctrination worked like a charm as they now have a terrible reputation. Most people don't care about their death, and the rest is positively happy about it.
I feel like the use education to squeeze out mother tongues is much more common than we realise.
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Yes, and bed times are authoritarian.
Uhh. They're actually evil mages, obviously. A cabal of sorcerors.
School teachers are just annoying as shit, taking all their personal issues out on students.
"Very nice commentary, young Fucky. You're welcome to discuss this further in Mr. Bidet's lunch time discussion club.“
said in a teacher voice
No.
Speaking of homework I'm assigning some to you right now: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1970/ideology.htm
Ur prospectus is due in a week
School teachers are indeed literally owning slaves who will perform labor under state-enabled coercion, wake up liberals!
If you abolish homework, you're literally John Brown!
You're also acting in accordance with years of research in to pedagogy that says homework is actively harmful, iirc.
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Particularly in countries like the US when there are literal cops in the schools with the teachers, but also to varying extents elsewhere.
My gym teacher in middle school was literally a former correctional officer
Obviously not, but there are still interesting things to be said about the often unwilling role that teachers play in reinforcing class society. Some of our first experiences with capitalist propaganda are handled by teachers, who have to since it's in the curriculum.
Homework is literally classism, kids whose parents / paid tutors have time and knowledge to help will be better off.
Is this praxis?
What the fuck?!
No!!!!
Where’s the Marx piece where he talks about labor theory of value in relation to teachers who work for the state vs those who work for private schools and how that differentiates them economically?
No homework! No bedtimes!
Gym teachers maybe
What's that, noTHX? Get out there and give me 2 laps
Harry DuBois was bourgeoise even before he became a cop
no, but they are cops
(i'm joking)
the only proletariat teacher is the home economics teacher
not bourgeois but they are kinda like cops, obviously horrible under capitalism but probably a good/necessary thing under communism.
They are not at all like cops. This is a very complex topic, but basically teachers are, using Gramsci's terminology, "organic intellectuals", and they reproduce the ideology belonging to a certain class. Teachers are dangerous to capitalism because IF they have class consciousness they can pass those ideas to their students; basically creating well informed, critical students with class consciousness should be the goal of any marxist teacher. As neoliberalism advances to the school sector (at least here in south america), teachers lose and more and more of their freedom to actually give classes with anti-hegemonic ideas: bureaucratic work that has nothing to do with teaching is introduced, and they are forced to follow curriculums and textbooks with a bunch of pro-capitalist crap in them, and with very little in the way of actual knowledge. There are also actual fascist thugs in Brazil called "escola sem partido" ("school without a party") who basically bully and threaten teachers so that their children's education can be as conservative as possible. Of course, under this context, and with the curriculum that they are increasingly forced to follow, they become "organic intellectuals" of the bourgeoisie, but it's not really the fault of the teachers, and it's only the teachers, by acquiring class consciousness and through organizing, who can push back against this. We also increasingly speak more and more of the "proletarization" of the teachers here, who increasingly become more like factory workers, alienated from their labor, and with lower and lower salaries. Teachers are also necessary in ways that cops are not, since their work is to evaluate the level of development of children and make them surpass them, which is something only they can do (Vygotsky's "level of proximal development"). The problem is that capitalism doesn't allow the teachers to actually do their jobs correctly. I guess in summary, cops are class traitors whose main function is to protect private property. Teachers are workers who only perpetuate capitalist ideology when they are literally forced to and fucked over by the capitalist education system. Teachers have some revolutionary potential because of their ability to make working class students recognize and think critically about their condition, cops have absolutely no revolutionary potential since they are just fascist bullies. Of course, this is the case in Latin America anyway, I don't know what teachers are like in burgerland.
Teachers dont own the school but the principal might own it and if not the principal the superintendent. Teachers are workers!
:To add on to that, they even have significant amounts of capital! They get paid tons, relative to the proles allowances. They also use a lot of their money to buy school supplies, and the school supplies are used to do their job, which produces money. Teachers literally do M-C-M.
You've heard of time and teachers being bourgeois, now get ready for this:
space-time as a concept is bourgeois. Einstein was a cop.
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