Literally every single Marvel movie
Bad guy makes good points
Bad guy subsequently commits mass murder for no reason, beyond shitty writers not wanting audiences to identify with them
Just the Disney ones, the X-Men movies are mostly cool even if they were made by a monster
The Department of Defense literally has entire department dedicated to producing movies where the establishment is correct
I was with the rebels until they blocked rush hour traffic to protest the empire destroying entire planets. I mean, I work from home so it doesn't personally effect me, but that's how they alienate the working class and that's how Darth Vader wins the next election.
but when the freighter pilots were clogging the Lagrange points of Coruscant, they were uniting the working class against the shadow Aldaranian government's agenda.
Ironically, probably the best example of this is Star Trek, where "the establishment" is commie as fuck.
That one is an actually good moral dilemma. The Federation is doing realpolitik by conceding a relatively small number of systems to the Cardassians, in an effort to forestall a massive genocidal space war.
Unfortunately this means letting loose a bunch of spoon-headed space Nazis upon... A colony largely comprised of Native Americans who had left Earth likely before the Federation even existed, or right about the same time.
Twitter globe man wants a Cardassian Repetitive Epic:
The Never Ending Sacrifice was generally regarded as the genre's greatest example, as a novel depicting seven generations of the same family, all of whom selflessly dedicate their lives to serving the Cardassian state.
We should do one of those "Who said this, a Nazi or a Zionist" style quizzes but for Twitter liberals and Gul Dukat.
Yeah but the Marquis are cool
Eh, they settled those planets less then a generation ago. Sure the Cardassians are fascists but also your home nation is a massive post scarcity society than can easily resettle you on one of their hundreds of planets. They're basically trying to continue a bloody war cuz they got sentimental about a place they moved, it's not like their ethnic homeland of anything.
The Marquis would be cool if the entirety of star trek was located on a single planet. Stretching the concept of Indigenousness to the stars like this is nobel savage type shit that also allows colonizer societies to larp as the colonized without really exploring how that would change them as a people.
Biz Marquis
Good point, we need more fiction where communist states battle fascist insurrectionists
Need a biopic about Venezuelan fisherman cooperating with the state to own American mercenaries.
Guy with a Ukraine flag emoji
Sorry, losers, but the people with the biggest army are always right
Establishment fans in 40 years when Russia annexes eastern Ukraine and they become the establishment in that area/wasteland devastated by years of forever war:
You don't think they'll just get behind President Tanden and support Russia because now it's China that's interfering with the government?
"Russian is out biggest ally in the region, and since they snatched up all of the equipment we just left in
ukraineRussia, I guess we shouldn't poke the bear"
ITS LITERALLY CALLED THE MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE
Just turn on the news, it's already spun that way and you don't gotta hurt your brain by thinking critically.
That's literally the Nolan Batman movies, but especially Dark Knight Rises.
Also it was hilarious how in DKR the thousands of cops who have been kept in the sewers for like 6 months emerge from them only slightly scruffy and ready for hand to hand combat.
And once out of the sewers they all walk in a straight line to the bad guys, who have tanks and guns pointed at them. They don't even have a plan or secret weapon. They just charge straight into gunfire in a pig square.
Critical support to DKR cops for dying en masse
But that's their natural habitat, maybe except of lack of donuts, or at least not previousy used donuts.
Cops are too fucking dumb to even hunt for donuts in the donuts natural habitat
Of course a ukranian flag would say that
all right, cool, let's have some american civil war movies where the rebels are not depicted with kid gloves but shown to be the rapist mass murdering inhuman demons they were, and the establishment rides in and kills them in droves. no complexity, just a marvel level kill them all.
General Sherman Thanos-snapping Atlanta away.
an isekai where a real old bolshevik is sent back in time to replace sherman and so when this timeline's sherman marches to the sea, he really doesnt pussyfoot around, but actually does what the slavers claimed he did.
or better yet, it start with che facing the fascists who killed him, except he gets isekai'd to mid 1800's US and turns into based-sherman
Twitter globe man wants a [Cardassian Repetitive Epic:]https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Repetitive_epic()
The Never Ending Sacrifice was generally regarded as the genre's greatest example, as a novel depicting seven generations of the same family, all of whom selflessly dedicate their lives to serving the Cardassian state.
We should do one of those "Who said this, a Nazi or a Zionist" style quizzes but for Twitter liberals and Gul Dukat.
Read some books about history recently. Good thing the good guys won every time, I mean, what are the odds?
Most cop shows and movies, by volume
Cop media, superhero media, spy media. It’s all the establishment crushing a strawman rebel
Mission impossible the latest had an anarchist bad guy who wanted to nuke a refugee camp
Somewhere, Steven Segal is crying into a DVD bargain bin
Full of Tom Cruise movies, tho
Pretty sure it's called Red Dawn.
Is red dawn good?
No. It's absolutely awful, right wing propaganda.
so this person wants to watch a maidan docu done right
Just from a story telling perspective, there isn't really much to a tale of the establishment crushing a resistance center from the pov of the establishment. They're in the advantageous position, people like when heros overcome obstacles which means they need yo have obstacles not be the obstacle. What kind of ending would you even have? Some disconnected suits breath a sigh of relief while cops mow down people in the streets to a John Williams score? Yeah, sounds like a real winner there. Protagonists are generally underdogs so there can be a story that happens.
I mean most of cop/spy/war movies are basically this, they just localise the struggle and voila, instead of US empire brutalizing half of the world and getting an attack or two in desperate retaliation we suddenly have a lone white hero (possibly with a black sidekick) heroically stopping the relentless onslaught of PoC terrorists/dictatorships on the smol imperialist bean.
Basically every single superhero movie is the establishment crushing the rebels and the audience cheers as the status quo is restored and the well intentioned villain who went too far is dispatched
The superhero character is still a Normal dude who overcomees adversity to defend the status quo as an outsider to the status quo. The establishment doesn't win, the hero shows up and saves it. This is because basic blockbuster writing is focused on the individual and the status quo is regarded as neutral good as well as unchangeable. Tha
That disney + captain america show
This is just Korra (and a little bit of the last airbender, looking at you Jet storyline).
Imagining the alternate Jet storyline where he learns that random violence without the backing of the masses is ineffective and comes up with Mao's ideas on guerilla warfare.
Gotta write a book about a strong DOTP dealing with manufactured reactionary dissent
I agree. They should make movies about the Soviet fight against the "forest brothers" and similar stay-behind Nazi terror cells after WWII. They could also do a cool movie about China defeating the CIA's attempts to stir shit in Tibet.
And of course, the Bay Of Pigs cinematic universe needs to be a thing.
The Bay of Pigs was already a comedy, add some Marvel quips and it'd probably do half decent in the box office.
So THAT just happened...
- JFK
i told some lib friends recently that star wars was about the vietnam war, and the rebels were the vietcong.
They were absolutely gobsmacked and didn't believe me until we looked up the george lucas/joseph campbell quotes
The Ewok battle scene in return of the Jedi isn’t exactly subtle. High tech imperials getting killed by spike traps in the jungle…
Rebels are almost always shown as naive and idealist, fighting to restore the same type of government as they overthrew (futile) or go too far using the ends to justify the means.
Rebels are basically never shown as justified, competent or moral
r/KotakuInAction is that way.
so they probably wouldn't appreciate those...