I apparently got shadow banned almost a year ago from blahaj, for a comment I made on lemmy.world
For the record I was posting in support of inclusive language, but pointing out that context and convention matter.
They seem to have even scrubbed my comment from their instance, lol.
Blahaj mods (especially the one modding ghazi, transgender and 196) are the worst kind of mods. They promote blatant misinformation, remove posts calling said misinformation out, and they ban people and label them transphobes despite there being no transphobic words or implications whatsoever in your comments.
Just block the entire instance and move on. There are better instances that better represent the lgbt community.
Source: my ban message is the same as yours, and I have never said or implied anything remotely transphobic.
What I hate about blocking instances is that I no longer seem to get inbox notifications when a member of the instance comments on something in response to me, outside of that instance.
Like, my beef isn't with blahaj users, and I don't want to unintentionally ignore them because their admin/s are nutballs.
Unless it’s hexbear in which case the users are also nuts
Block the specific subs, it's more work but fine grained enough to see all comments that you can interact with.
I can tell you that a lot of the blahaj users hold the same mentality.
Basically everyone on Lemmy not sucking their toes is a transphobe, even if you've never said a single word about trans people at all.
What are the better instances?
There isn't (Although Lemmy.World & programming.dev are)
How do you see why you were banned from a page? I was banned from 196 too and I have absolutely no idea what I could have said.
They named their instance after an IKEA product so I can only assume it's a group of trans capitalists who fawn over corporations
Imagine going out of your way to mod based on shit posted else where.
I have been saying this... We have too much modding for no fucking reason.
We literally got 50k AMU, and half the modding is based on vibes, I don't like the tone or content of the comments
As if there is not enough real modding to go around lol
The mod to user ratio in some of the communities is way out of whack. Just start with one mod who does nothing except manage spam and actual harmful content posted explicitly to be harmful. If the community ever grows so much that more mods are required, add only as needed and not more. And do the absolute minimum to make the community a good place to be, so it has a chance to grow and flourish.
What I'm saying is mod in moderation.
Wait til they find out you once gave a Like to someone who once posted a questionable tweet!
I have been saying this… We have too much modding for no fucking reason.
This should open up an opportunity for people who don't support mod abuse to create communities that don't enable it.
I am unfit for positions of authority but point taken
From the Book of the Dude, the holy book of the Dudeism religion:
Incidentally, the term “dude” is commonly agreed to refer to all genders. Most linguists contend that the diminutive “dudette” is not in keeping with the parlance of our times.
So what you're saying is that ban is religious discrimination?
I don't want to be called dude or dudette, but I'm 95% certain this will change whenever I finally watch that movie.
Wouldn't be a leftist platform if they didn't spend the majority of their time and effort self policing based on their purity tests instead of doing something actually productive
The People's Front of Judea vs the Judean People's Front!
I still remember watching that socialist convention that spent an hour doing nothing but teaching people to wave their hands in the air to signal applause and running someone down that dared to use the word "guys". Point of Personal Privilege, my ass.
Dude is gender neutral
Not to everyone, and that's cool, until someone tells you not to call them dude anymore. Then your an asshole if you try to argue the gender neutrality of the term dude. Such as telling someone to get over it.
That's like anything. If my name is Abigail and I don't wanna be called Abby, I don't have to hear an excuse as to why you wanna call me Abby. If someone isn't comfortable being called a thing and they tell you so, you fucking abide by that. Everything else is weirdo behavior.
Using "dudes" as a common noun, is different from using "dude" as a vocative, apples to oranges my dude
Wow. That is about the tamest comment that’s ever gotten someone banned.
I've seen worse for just for putting criticism in threads asking for user's "questions, concerns, requests and issues". And at the admin level, in a major instance where they never really apologized or corrected themselves until a couple of months later without really assuming any blame.
I'm just glad I'm not the only one who views dude as androgynous.
I thought I was one of the few.
I find it androgynous and will use it for anyone, but if anyone told me they were uncomfortable with me referring to them that way, I would stop, as with anything. It’s simply decent to refer to people as they prefer.
Contextually gendered
I find these always interesting to read in the following sentence: 'I fucked a bunch of dudes'.
Do you also believe that this sentence would work for you? (Assuming you are a heterosexual)
Because I always thought I was in the 'Dude is androgynous' camp, but after considering that sentence: I don't think so anymore
Conflation due to context?
I think sexual activity adds implied gender relationships that shift how 'dude' is interpreted. While 'dude' can feel androgynous in casual contexts, in a phrase like 'fucked a bunch of dudes,' the sexual framing amplifies its masculine connotations. This shows how cultural norms around sexuality and gender can override attempts at neutrality.
Most of the women I’ve fucked have been dudes.
A few weren’t.
It's male-leaning, although it gets used androgynously.
If someone personally didn't want to be called dude, I'd avoid it. Otherwise it's not worth freaking out over.
I was once told my choice of defaulting to referring to people as they/them is offensive to nonbinary people. I don't necessarily know your pronouns at that particular instance of time when speaking, and being offensive is not my intention, but it seems to happen anyway.
Which is why I call they/them the equal oppurtunity offender. It doesn't discriminate in its neutralness.
Wait until they hear what non-binary sounds like in Spanish, a language that genders every noun as either male or female.
At least from one Non Binary, I default they/them and have no idea why I personally would find it offensive.
I usually get a lot of hate when I call it "binary thinking" to see only two extreme polar opposite sides to any issue. Some people don't relate to that term outside of gender issues.
This is the most retarded shit about us on the left. We fight over every little thing while the right can unite over only one issue.
They/them is extremely practical and I've yet to meet a non-binary person in real life who complains about the umbrella usage of it. Some people just want to be offended or want to police behaviour. They should stay on twitter.
What the hell? I call everyone they these days as to not offend anyone, I’m trying to be inclusive with this.
Once it's cheap enough, I will unironically just pay for Gemmini or something to monitor my comments and keep track of all the rules. I can't possibly deal with all the nuances and expectations of every instance.
If someone is still offended after that, idk what to say.
Just don't care if you get banned other than to whine about it in whine subs.
Spanish has neutral gender one so does English.... "It" but somehow it ain't enough
Nope, everything is either lo (masculine "the") or la (feminine "the"), and there is no "the" which is gender neutral.
Yeah, when saying things like "this" or "that" there is a neutral version used only and very explicitly for objects when you're not using the actual noun for the object - i.e. in "give me that" but not in "give me that box" - but that's about as close as the thing gets to having a neutral gender.
Same with Portuguese, Italian, French and, as far as I know, all Romance languages out there.
Funny bit is that whilst for most things the same thing tends to be have a noun which is masculine or feminine in all of those languages (at least the ones I know, so no idea about Romanian), some words might be masculine in one language and feminine in another or vice-versa.
They could not in fact get over it, dude.
They must feel very strongly about the word dude. I'm in your camp on it. It's an exclamation, nothing more 🤷
Duuuuude
Sweet
"Using the power of the Continuum Transfunctioner, we will now banish you to Hoboken New Jersey."
The key is that you said "but..." which in some communities fails the test of absolute 100% agreement and makes you The Enemy. I had a very similar experience there, in my case it was saying someone who is "uncomfortable" with gender issues might not actually "hate" anybody, they could just be having trouble overcoming how they were raised. But in the end it's like if a TV channel stops but you get thousands of other channels, so oh well
<shrug>
.Joke’s on them, I’ve shadow banned them.
Lol
Consider the source of the action(a person pursuing a position of authority on a relatively miniscule network) and keep on keeping on. Decades of forums moderated by basement dwellers with a Napoleon complex have made it hard for me to take things like this seriously.
Wow, somebody that day was salty, and pretty much just looking for a comment to get mad about.
There's another FOSS project idea: a bot that detects Lemmy bans and sends you a notification about it.
Another idea, take the mod log and allow voting on mod actions in a way that makes unpopular ones more visible. Give the users tools to evaluate moderators and admins to speed up the process of removing bad mods or users discovering they shouldn't bother with an instance with bad admins. Or, with a different sorting method, it could highlight mods that aren't power tripping losers.
Maybe a similar system for reporting, since it wouldn't surprise me if some mods feel like they need to act because of pressure from losers who power trip with the report button. You know, the kind that feels the need to inform people they've been reported.
well you could just make a lemmy community about spurious bans and people could vote on it, and you could tag them in the comments somewhere….
I don't think there is anything like a shadow ban on Lemmy?
It seems to be an unintentional side effect, that ends up being similar to a shadow ban.
What I mean to say is that I can still make comments on blahaj posts, but they will never show up to users of their instance. So, to me, it seems like everything is okay, when in reality, I've probably been commenting into the ether for 10 mo.
Example:
It's not like a shadow ban. It's just a normally instance ban. A shadowban is by definition invisible to to the affected party. This is very much immediately visible through the modlog.
My greater point is that it's dishonest to liken this to a shadow ban due to the secretive connotations of the latter and the way this paints the admins who gave it out
Blahaj is essentially the padded room of Lemmy. The users there never ever ever want to see a difference in opinion, a naughty word, or a thought provoking comment. They want to be victims and talk about cute stuff. Completely within their rights to make their instance the most cringe thing on the Internet and yet another example of leftists fighting other leftists and pointing fingers at one another over minor issues while conservatives actually are exterminating minorities at record pace and creating laws and regulations to destroy lives. It might be funny if it wasn't so sad.
So a marginalized group that gets continuously shit on both offline and irl makes a lemmy community with strict rules so they can have a space to enjoy lemmy and take a break from being shat on... and you have a problem with it? Why does all online activity have to be productive? Why can't people make safe space to relax in?
Never said anywhere I had a problem.
"It's completely within their rights, but I'm still going to make a paragraph-long complaint about it, even though it doesn't affect me.'
I have also been banned from specifically 196 for a comment on a completely different instance. Reason: Transphobe. Because I was asking questions.
And it's kind of annoying that when I scroll through the feed, upvote a post and get an error. Oh it's a blahaj post... Sometimes I realize after I've finished writing a comment and can't send it.
196 is really fuckin weird
They have the best memes but the worst mods
This is why I've completely blocked that instance from my feed so i don't have to be disappointed i can't participate
I'm tempted to play survivor and go see how long before my neurotypical ass accidentaly gets banned.
You don't need to go anywhere, apparently, any comment on any instance that federates with blahaj already grants you a participation ticket.
That's what makes Lemmy lame honestly
Modlog is steady supply of content TBH haha
Lemmy is like that snake that feeds on itself. What's it called again? Ouroboros? No the other one, human centipede, that's the one
How is that a lemmy problem? Reddit and such have the exact same issues
That’s when you start using “Greetings, human beings”
And then your computer starts making angry co-pilot noises
Hey volks.
Greetings loved ones, let's take a journey
Lmao they banned me for saying we shouldn't let trump get elected, the blahaj mods are awful
I randomly fact check "I got banned for something stupid" claims for giggles. Sometimes it's true, often they're lying.
You're lying. Gotta love public modlog.
https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=2075497
Thanks for the giggles.
Because I know you people can't read, I'm adding this bit of clarification to the top: saying we should choose A over B doesn't necessarily mean one supports A. I don't want an appendectomy, but if the alternative is dying from appendicitis, it's the better of the two possible options. If I choose not to get an appendectomy, that is the same as choosing to die, even if I delude myself into thinking that if I choose not to decide, I haven't made a choice.
I love public modlogs because people can read them and link to them while also straight up lying about them. Let's take a closer look at what the blahaj mod said.
reason: Weirdo who defends genocide, because only young people are aginast it
Well that's weird. I don't think I ever defended genocide. What comments were removed?
Removed Comment To quote Wikipedia: >The most common form of this fallacy is "A" makes a claim of "fact," to which "B" asserts that "A" has a personal trait, quality or physical attribute that is repugnant thereby going entirely off-topic, and hence "B" concludes that "A" has their "fact" wrong - without ever addressing the point of the debate. I fulfilled one part of an ad hominem—I asserted (implied, but whatever) that you have a personal trait, quality, or physical attribute. This is not enough to accuse me of committing ad hominem, because I fulfilled no other portions of it. I never implied that the fact that you are relatively young is a negative trait, I never concluded that you were wrong because of it, and I did address the main point of the debate. Calling someone young or stupid or naive isn't ad hominem if I then go on to explain why what they're saying is incorrect.
I don't see any genocide defense here. Sybil didn't know what an ad hominem attack was, and I was clarifying it. Weird comment to remove, but ok.
Removed Comment No, I'm attacking what you said by calling it naive. I never once intimated that your belief was wrong because you were young. I also think that anyone above the age of 22 who doesn't vote Biden is also wrong. It has nothing to do with age. I was simply giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you'd never been burned by voting third party before. Am I wrong to do that? Are you actually stupid, and not naive?
I was a bit rude towards the end, but still not seeing the genocide defense.
Removed Comment I was young once too. Eventually you'll figure out that the party that got 1% of the vote last time isn't suddenly gonna sweep it with 51% this time. Every single person who has a nonzero chance of being president next year supports Israel, so you should vote based on what the best possible outcome is.
And that's it. I didn't defend genocide at all, all I said was that we should vote for Biden (it was a different time) because the only possible alternative was Trump, and Trump will make the ongoing genocide worse than Biden would. I would like to congratulate the moderators of blahaj again for successfully preventing a Biden/Harris presidency, ensuring the total annihilation of the Palestinian people. Good job, people of Palestine salute you. Morons.
Where would I see if I've been banned somewhere? I usually browse /all so I'm sure I've commented and voted most everywhere.
Go to Lemmy.world, there is modlog link at the bottom, input your name and you get your permanent criminal record
Go to each instances mod log and search your username
I got banned from lemmy.world/c/linuxsucks, which is one person's mental illness, so who cares? Doesn't stop me from calling them an idiot when they show up elsewhere.
Never heard linuxsucks be described more accurately.
That user showed up in the thread warning about someone spreading fud about Wikipedia to attack OP. Safe to say, whoever they are, they have multiple accounts for their obsessions.
Linux is the expression of the collective mental illness of thousands of mentally ill computer hobbyists.
Just because I am mentally ill mean doesn't mean I use Linux. I mean I do use it, but not because I'm mentally ill.
I was banned from a community called, "Pleasant Politics," that I had never heard of or interacted with, but honestly, as a preemptive move, fair enough.
Oh that place is an interesting idea but poor execution.
Last I knew they would ban you if you got banned from any of the news comms or had too many controversial comments. Which just boiled down to downvotes
I remember the creator of the bot that does the bans insisted until he was blue in the fact that it doesn't ban based on downvotes while spewing a lot f technobabble that ultimately ammounted to banning for downvotes. So yeah, he's trying to bring back one of the worse features of Reddit, that being an ass kissing requirement, that's what karma requirements are, they are an ass kissing requirement, because the way you get karma points is by kissing ass, the way you lose them is by sharing new or different ideas. See the issue with them? The system punishes people for having ideas that other people don't like, not that are wrong or evil, but that other people simply don't like. That's not even mentioning people who cheat the system by doing vote manipulation to their own comments or to other comments.
Hmm, well, I wasn't banned from anything before that, and none of my comments had been highly downvoted. I had gotten in a few people's faces over genocide denial, though. I assumed it was because of that.
Funny enough, I just double-checked, and it looks like I've recently been banned from a bunch of Dubvee communities, too. I've never heard of this instance before, but based on this post, I'm guessing they didn't like my thoughts on United Healthcare. Again, I wasn't even aware of Dubvee until now, so I can't say it feels like much of a loss.
By far the most obnoxious community on lemmy if you happen to be a mod and need to check the mod logs frequently.
I don't even like IKEA.
I'm gen x dude also has no gender.
i kinda agree but does "i fuck dudes" sound right?
It depends on the context. The term has generally become more generic, but some contexts can put it back to its original gendered meaning.
Its your choice.
dude is masculine in every definition i’ve found (looked it up) except for a city slicker new to a ranch…
i’ve always known it to be gender neutral… but i have a female friend that gets offended every time someone calls her that.
but the fact that it keeps happening means that it’s gender neutral to all of those people too (she’s a fairly feminine female).
that said, it’s best to just call people terms that they are comfortable with, not ones that you’re comfortable calling them.
personally, i find calling a single person they/them a little obtuse, but it’s not really that hard. (slightly confusing when there’s a question of whether im referring to them or a group of people).
Except when it comes to cultural/generational uses of words. Every generation has words they use in a altered way. Dude was one such word when I was young. It was used by my generation in a way that didn't exactly match the definition. Just like all the other generations use words out context with their written definitions. Its why I laugh when the younger generations get mad because they think they invented the concept.
I think it's really easy to construe "get over it" as dismissive of a marginalized group's concerns. That's how it comes across to me. If it needs context to seem less so, it could probably use better wording.
Stop downvoting this dude, they're not wrong, it's a reasonable take and true in hindsight.
Thanks. I could probably use my own advice, too. That last bit of mine could have been worded better.
Telling someone to get over it is the most inclusive thing you could do. I'm not giving special treatment to you just because you're different bucko.
So would you say to women that they should just get over discrimination and harassment in the workplace because it's inclusive, for example? I'm sure you can think of some more extreme examples that go beyond that both in magnitude and into parts of a person's identity beyond gender.
Please understand that marginalized groups already receive special, negative treatment. Claiming that they're being included by ignoring those very real parts of their lives doesn't sit well with me. If you are the type of friend that ignores the suffering of the people you are close to and treats others well only so far as they are "normal" and don't require special treatment, that won't make a fuss when you call them names or make them the butt of a joke to be "inclusive", then I don't envy the people in your life, bucko.
Blahaj and beehaw are almost as annoying as the tankies.
Tankies don't do perma bans tho... They do 1 month gulag for disrespect to daddy shepooh.
There is at least some consistency there.
These clowns are essentially see a comment they dont like else where then go ban the commenter on the sub their are modding.
This behaviour is not not normal people
This also happened to reddit but modlog really exposing how a lot of modding decisions are vibes based or out right censorship
Tankies don't do perma bans tho... They do 1 month gulag for disrespect to daddy shepooh.
They're based asf for that. I've said a lot of things that triggered the tankies on ml and it's just been 2-5 day bans.
I assure you, they do permabans
who cares. some of these communities are trash who don't allow you to participate if you don't align with their views. no different than reddit.
OP's complaint is that he was not aware of the ban so he was commenting into nothing.
This is really software issue, they can ban him, and he can block them back. No problem at all.
The issue is that these servers are blocking new people and they might get pissed about not knowing it. This is UX issue for fediverse.
On top of it, these bans are arbitrary and capricious for the most part, so again, this will piss anyone who does know how fediverse works.
We got 50k AMU, with too many mods with nothing to do, so they find busy work.
fair but I've been banned because I didn't follow the flow of the political narrative of the conversation. I don't consider myself squarely in one camp so I read, understand, and comment/criticize what I feel I want to engage with. I will admit i was auto banned from one instance and got no response from anyone, so I can relate to what your comment is getting at.
I'm so sorry that happened to you.
Based on the modding done to OP, this user should be banned for being "dismissive " of OPs feelings
So much for "inclusivity"
Bro
Yeah. Saying anything that isn't overwhelmingly supportive of transpeople is just asking to be mod abused.
Unfortunate world we live in, but thanks for fighting back.
As a SoCal boi dude is not about gender. It's a vibe
Is there a way to ban users before they comment/post?
Preemptive banning of trolls is something Lemmy could use. I shouldn’t have to wait until they post.
Use the minority report function.
This one is for the individual who reported my content.
Fuck blahaj, All my homies hate blahaj🗣️🔥
Same, was banned for totally trivial reasons like being racist or something like that.
I was just banned there today by their Admin Ada for asking on their new pinned thread about "respecting all neopronouns" if that includes Minor Attracted People who I don't want to share a space with.
Instead of saying "yes we will ban pedophiles who self identify as Minor Attracted People" they just got mad and banned me.
goes into space acting like a troll and attacking the admin of instancr
gets banned
Why would you be surprised for the ban after acting like a troll (ie behaving like a person attacking pronouns use) then attacking admin? All on you buddy.
Note I think Ada would throw under the bus anyone and don't think they're a good admin but this isn't one of those times
I've had to leave like 4 LGBTQ spaces on reddit because the insane mods wanted Minor Attracted People to be accepted and validated.
I'm not interested in contributing to their instance anymore if they can't fucking keep the place clean.
All i asked at first was "this doesn't include Minor Attracted People right?" and they started removing my comments instead of being capable of saying "no we won't allow those people to validate themselves here"
I assume they removed your comment because of your belief in referring to people according to traditional genders: men and women.
I don't think that warrants removal or even banning though because as you say, you're advocating for inclusive change in language. Perhaps the next step would have been the inclusive change of more genders than men and women, perhaps just "people" and dropping the binary distinction altogether.
The trick is to stay away from the wild and stupid shit on blahaj. First thing to block after Ani.social and all the .ml instances. I have no time for cesspools or bronies.
Depending on what you were replying to, I could see how that is transphobic. Like if you were replying to someone saying they don't like to be called dude and you end the post with "get over it, dude!"?
You said it yourself. Context matters.
For what it's worth, I've met trans women who dislike the term dude. It might be more common than you think.
Also, after thinking on this more, I feel more confident it has to do with the hypothetical "if you're offended [by me calling you dude], get over it dude" as doubling down on using a term someone doesn't want you to as soon as they've told you not to.
Always good to be nice and avoid ticking people off. That way, you won't have to argue whether your ban was fair or not.
I should write a ban survival guide (=
What's the downvotes for?
Seriously? The word dudette exists for a reason, use it.
No
most mentally stable lemmy user.
hey, thanks for showing me that i should block you and this community!
I'm so sorry that happened to you.
Cry harder
Fucking cunt
So, you got banned somewhere; don't whine about it, get over it.
You whining about this is worse
The irony, it sustains me.
You're not allowed to tell people what they can and can't be hurt by. This whole thread and all it's bad takes are a great example of why trans communities need to be so protective of their already harassed users.
This was a deserved ban.
I was hurt by the ban.
You hurt those in the community. Which is why you were banned.
I was posting in support of inclusive language, but pointing out that context and convention matter.
You went in to a trans space, and told people who did not like to be called dude, to get over it dude. By and large, trans women do not appreciate being called dude. You are within your right to think it's gender neutral, but those that constantly have their gendered denied do not feel the same. You ignored the context of the community you were saying that in.
The fact that even a year later, you are standing by your right to call people dude who do not want it shows how deserved the shadowban was and how little you actually care about "inclusive language".
Pick better fights.