Amazing. Every word you just said was wrong.
Amazing. Every word you just said was wrong.
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The Star Trek universe is not communist, although it is often misunderstood as such. Here are some arguments against it:
Private property exists: Characters in Star Trek own personal items like clothes, PADDs (Personal Access Display Devices), and other belongings. This contradicts the communist ideal of common ownership of the means of production.
Currency exists: Although the Federation claims to be a post-scarcity society, there is evidence of some form of currency, such as "credits" or "gold-pressed latinum," which are used for trade with other civilizations.
Social hierarchies exist: In Star Trek, there are clear social hierarchies, such as ranks in Starfleet, different positions in government, and various social classes. This contradicts the communist idea of a classless society.
Individual freedom is valued: Characters in Star Trek have the freedom to make their own choices, pursue their own careers, and hold their own beliefs. This contrasts with the communist idea of collectivism, where the individual is subordinate to the good of the community.
Replicators do not create abundance: Although replicators can produce many goods, they cannot replicate everything, such as latinum or complex technologies. This means that there is still scarcity, and resources are not unlimited.
Competition and rivalry exist: In Star Trek, there is evidence of competition and rivalry, for example in scientific discoveries, sporting events, or political debates. This contradicts the communist idea of cooperation and shared progress.
The Federation is a democratic republic: The Federation is depicted as a democratic republic, where citizens elect their representatives and participate in political decision-making. This is fundamentally different from communist systems, which are often one-party states with limited political freedom.
Although Star Trek presents an idealized vision of the future where many social problems have been solved, it is important to emphasize that it is not a communist society. There are many elements in Star Trek that contradict the basic principles of communism.
Private property exists: Characters in Star Trek own personal items
Opinion immediately disregarded
i stopped reading at clothes being a means of production
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Why else would Marx spend so much time talking about coats?
You mean you don't rent out your clothes to people?
Gimme your toothbrush lib
GimmeRent me your toothbrush lib
IMO we need a rebranding of the term "private property" to something a bit clearer.
When you say "private property" to the layman, they tend to think it means the same thing as personal property.
I'm personally a fan of using the term "means of production" instead of private property.
Or in other words, "hippity hoppity, surrender your private property."
I've seen someone make the distinction on here where private property is factories means of productions and such and personal property is the stuff you own including things like your home
literally fell at the first hurdle
This is where I stopped reading.
Karl Marx is coming for your damn toothbrush, bucko.
Characters in Star Trek have the freedom to make their own choices, pursue their own careers, and hold their own beliefs. This contrasts with the communist idea of collectivism, where the individual is subordinate to the good of the community.
Meanwhile, capitalism: "Oh, you decided to go into the arts? Have fun starving. Should've gotten a tech degree."
Hey ChatGPT give me a list of reasons why Star Trek is actually Capitalist
it definitely has that cadence
Lab grown bait. Each point is inconsistent in its perspective of communism. One says they're are officers so its not a classless society, another says its not a one-party system so its not communism.
The first point is “communism is when community toothbrush”, this is weapons grade bait because it’s infuriating even if you recognize it
literally lab grown cause it's ai generated
Oh jeez that would make sense. Do you have proof?
Captain Fredrick Marx of the U.S.S. John Brown: [looks directly at camera] The Federation does not use money. We no longer strive to collect material things. The necessities of life, including education and access to information, are freely and universally available. We have eliminated poverty, hunger and curable diseases. Hierarchies, such as the chain-of-command on starships, are rare and only used when necessary; civilian life is highly meritocratic. Federation society is not perfect, but it is an improvement on what came before.
Isn't that an almost verbatim quote? I swear either Picard or Sisko said something along those lines either to a time traveler from the past or while they were timetraveling to the past themselves.
Picard talking to 20th Century Capitalism Man in "The Neutral Zone"; Picard talking to Lily in the movie "First Contact"; Troi talking to Mark Twain in "Time's Arrow"; Kirk in 1980s San Francisco saying "They're still using money," in "The Voyage Home" -- plus a whole lot more. So yeah, you're absolutely correct.
Passing around the galactic toothbrush because Space Stalin said humans have to share
this has to be a bit.. you couldn't possibly be this absolutely wrong about everything so perfectly
Imagine being so bothered by something not real that you feel the need to write a tiny novel about it.
Assuming they didn’t ask an AI bot to shit it out for them
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the USSR wasn't communism because they had sports competitions
Actually Stalin literally made sure that every competition finish in a dead heat so there wasn't any hierarchy. This is true don't look this up.
This is also why the first person to stop clapping went to gulag. It wasn't because Stalin was egomanical, it was because he believed everyone deserved exactly the same amount of applause as everyone else.
Sitting around in my utopian spaceship being mad as hell all the time because 24th century Dengists are keeping the government from coming and stealing all my clothes
You CAN make a case that Star Trek isn't as communist as it could/should be, but this ain't it.
I think Star Trek is not exactly communist but very advanced phase of socialism, defined by two main factors:
- It became one not because revolution but because WW3 destroyed a lot of capitals and demolished a capitalist class, so it failed to recover before aliens came and brought tech transfers rendering capitalism obsolete and preventing restablishing of the capitalist system (mainly free energy and replication tech making scarcity nearly nonexistent).
- There are hostile reactionary imperialist forces in the galaxy. Therefore state is still needed.
Yes
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Communism is when we line up for the toothbrush at the allocated time and place.
Toothbrush? Bourgeois decadence. Ash and water is all a good comrade needs to clean teeth with.
Communist armies and aid corps famously had no chain of command.
Star Trek has toothbrushes QED
Media literacy is dead
Communism is when "Hey! You kids stop racing your bikes down the street to see who's fastest! One more time and you get the gulag!"
Badposting comm is leaking
You can't have managers in communism.
Under communism, to play soccer, 22 people will cooperate to get a ball into a net.
Under Star Trek to play baseball you need a holodeck, a crew you can orde to play baseball and a college rivalry. To play Ambo Jitsu you have to beat up your dad.
That's funny because when I say I want that stuff everyone calls me a Marxist. Who the heck is this Marx guy and why does he keep stealing all my good ideas?
(Parenti's joke not mine)
Communism is when instead of playing football we take turns kicking the ball into the net
This seems like obvious satire based on the first three. I stopped reading once they hit 3/3 and gave the reason while "missing the point" or whatever. Honestly could've ended after they used private and personal property interchangeably- it's either blatant satire or the most libbed up lib ever who purposely reads Marxist literature to then act "educated" while typing the dumbest shit possible. Gonna go with satire to protect my brain.
This was made by a text generator no way it was written by a human omfg.
