Rednote right now

Despite the unhappy circumstances, it's kinda nice Chinese and Americans interacting on social media.

The fact this isn't typically possible because of bans in China is not so nice. Neither is the fact the US is going down the same road instead of proper privacy laws.

But still, kinda nice

The unexpected propaganda win for the PRC too lol. Anyone who might have been doubting the benefits of the dictatorship of the proletariat will now have first hand evidence that life is absolutely not better in capitalism

The social score thing isn’t really propaganda as much as it is idiots believing whatever they read. It started from what was essentially thinly veiled racism, and became “true” because people kept hearing it.

This is exactly what governments around the world are afraid of. Every government wants us to blindly accept that every citizen of the nation is profoundly evil and must be obedient to its government.

Russia wants its citizens to believe every single lie about itself and other nations. That everyone in Ukraine is a bloodthirsty Nazi, and Russia is liberating Crimea.

America wants its citizens to believe every single lie about itself and other nations. Every brown person is a terrorist waiting for its Manchurian candidate call sign to do a second 9/11, and that the economy is the greatest in the world.

No nation tells the entire truth, from lying from omission via national security, to straight up war time propaganda, to funding and owning news networks. From Radio Free Europe to Sputnik, a government will lie to your face and tell you its an unabridged raw truth.

The only way we could actually learn the "truth" (if there is such a one when anyone could be as brainwashed as their government wants them to be) is by directly talking to the citizens of each nation. The internet is a great equalizer, the only limit is language and translation. That's why governments censor the internet, or even shut it down when it gets too much for a government to manage.

We all have more in common with the random citizens of China, Russia, Germany, Japan, South Korea, America, Mexico, Canada, Uganda, South Africa, Egypt, Palestine, Israel, Ukraine, Brazil... We have more in common with being human and being subjugated and redistricted in doing what makes us happy and free.

And the government and rich of each of those nations and beyond have more in common each other than to the citizens they try to control like dogs. They all disagree on why they do it, but the end result is the same. Status quo, monopoly on violence kept in place with whoever is at the top. The set dressing and costumes change, but the stage play goes on.

You and I have more in common than with the president or prime minister or dictator we are under. The only thing we share with the top 1% and our governments is the lanauge we share and the citizenship. I have friends around the world, and I have more in common with random geeks in Japan and China, than the leadership of my nation.

The governments want you to think that you have nothing to share and love with another human being outside the lines drawn in the sand by people out of touch with the people inside those lines.

They're obviously saying all of this to up their social credit!

I just want to point out that the attempt to compare medical costs in a direct comparison in US dollars isn't exactly easy as it does ignore purchasing power and base wages.

The point would probably be better made with hours of labor at a base pay to pay off treatment which I do think American healthcare would probably still lose quite handedly.

It's funny that Xiaohongshu is popping off right on the cusp of a TikTok ban. They're not even flocking to established US alternatives.

Lmao

Some of this stuff is dated. Chinese healthcare used to be less available and more expensive until the government put efforts in changing that fact. China's a nation that seems to believe that they can use their government to make things better.

As a civ player, I know a cultural victory when I see one.

Is this the tankie nonsense that ml spews that I’ve been warned about?

Cause I’m sure this is partly true, as a Canadian I know that China is pragmatically not hell (defiantly has lots of problems though) and that the US is only good if your rich.

I personally don’t see this as pro China but more as a criticism how living in the US has been romanticized.

I love this so much

People are people no matter where they live, which also means you can't trust any government anywhere. Propaganda is powerful.

The idea of a social credit score has always been hilarious to me, like yo bros we have credit scores over here and they legitimately fuck us over since you need good credit to do alot of things like renting a place to live.

There's a bunch of Chinese posts asking if the stuff about school shootings, fires, homelessness are exaggerated propaganda only to be told otherwise. It's both hilarious and sad.

Eh, there's truth and lies on both sides. Coming from someone that lived in china for 4 years and was able to engage with Chinese primary news sources. But basic healthcare in china is faster and cheaper, but then again I went to get a wart removed and they prescribed me acorn paste that accelerated the growth of the wart. So win some lose some.

wow the level of cope in this thread (thankfully not that many tho) arguing over stats - which are probably made up anyway.

some people can't handle that most humans just wanna be friends regardless of gov politics bs

Remember that "Grapes of Wrath" completely backfired as a propaganda piece because Russians were amazed that poor Americans could still afford cars

82$?! That's ~8200 roubles! Holy golden expensive fuck!

If banning tik tok ends up galvanizing demand for healthcare reform I'm going to laugh my ass off

Well tbf, even though it's strictly banned in China there are still some cases of it happening in rural areas.

Circle jerking about China is as ridiculous as circle jerking about the US. We've been here before with US vs USSR, but this time everyone has a megaphone and an IQ that can be measured with a ruler.

No. So many goods cannot be produced by children, it is inefficient.

New tagline dropped

It's honestly very wholesome to see this kind of interaction. On top of cute moments like Chinese users telling the new US users that they are their "spies," seeing a lot of blatant myth dispelling surrounding the PRC is great to help tear down the Red Scare.

Wait, China's not a dystopian nightmare?

imagine making social media so bad your own citizens actively procure your biggest rival's networks.

Few things blew my mind even though I've been a big fan of Chinese economic and political policy for a while

They actually really like Soviet Culture, the marching soldiers and flags etc. Soviet rock like Kino and the like is very popular!

They're casually Marxist, its not something they have to fight to learn about so socialism is a casual existence for them. I figured the youth would be "too cool or hip" but doesn't seem to be the case

They're very similar as gamers, they really like shooters like battlefield and cs go. I assume their MMOs are different but I'm asking about that

It truly is a massive cultural exchange the likes of which have never been seen before. I'm trying to find out if they grew up on the same games, Morrowind Deus Ex Thief Ultima Online D&D etc

I always thought social credit thing is just in memes

China propaganda machine goes brrrr

The way people really suddenly think oh yeah China is just a good country like a European democracy where you can live well is flabbergasting. Of course a dictatorship with massive censorship and suppression of minorities has mostly positive comments.

And of course, many people that aren’t part of a harassed minority or politically active against the rulers aren’t saying horrible stuff against them (which wouldn’t be seen anyway).

I still don't believe the TEMU bit though

Some of this shit is just true and really show how clueless some people are. China is not all bad.

But in some responses... The social credit had pilot cities. And people were banned for e.g. flying due to social misdeeds, while it seems to be unrelated to the social credit.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/china-to-bar-people-with-bad-social-credit-from-planes-trains-idUSKCN1GS10Q/#%3A~%3Atext=However%2C+there+are+signs+that%2Ctaking+flights+for+social+misdeeds.

The reality that especially Americans will be de-brainwashed by, is that china is not a communistic state. That it isn't all bad. China is much more like america than both pro-china and pro-america people want to accept.

I spent $82 USD on cold, flu and bronchitis treatment last year!

The fact that this is considered expensive there made me do a choking double take in the same way as learning that an actual mansion in the 70s used to cost like 20 grand.

"now kiss"

I mean, an app that's named after the Little Red Book and which has strict moderation rules (no "Winnie the Pooh" refs, sorry) has comments that claim all the bad things you've heard about China are just American propaganda. What a surprise.

I see a lot of folks going "wow, stupid Americans really believed social credit scores were real", and meanwhile I see a detailed Wikipedia article describing the implementation of the Social Credit System by China's Central Government.

Can someone cite me a source more credible than random internet comments? Otherwise, I'ma just take this as propaganda itself.

Except of the tiannamen square massacre, the great leap forward, or the genocide. Also taiwan.

Reporter: [REDACTED]
Reason: Misinformation

Truths you find inconvenient are not misinformation, reporter.

Wow, the content on the Chinese controlled platform matches the Chinese narrative? Shocking.

picture 2: not real and technically imposible to do that cause we have 1.4 billion people

This makes me imagine how social credit score department people hands look like if social credit score is real

Truth: the strongest propaganda.

Lol people actually believed that social credit score bullshit?

Not everything! For instance, we don't wear shoes to bed.

I didn't think child labor still existed in China, just harsh labor conditions and low pay.

China's government's strict control of the media did, however, lead to me not questioning the social credit score thing.

我爱小红书！I love rednote! So many cool people and I'm brushing up on my mandarin 😎

Post a Winnie the Pooh meme.

They really need to add a translation feature though. It's getting a bit annoying running everything through a translate app, for both english and chinese speakers I imagine.

This is breaking my brain... world news told me it was bad and told me what "experts" say about privacy.

This place really shilling for ccp? That disappointing

So total brain rot absolutely everywhere?

I realized why i fucking hate tankies. They use the same debate tactics as alt-rights but its not even a clear divide as technically theyre on your side.

The pro-China propaganda is nuts.

“Hey look at this one thing we have better than the US: it proves that everything the US says about China is false”.

Smooth-brained logic right there.

What a moronic, ignorant post.

Daamn, it's so nice that nobody invented lying on Chinese internet yet, otherwise shit would be so embarrassing

Is this chinese punishment for banning tiktok?

Were the Uyghur concentration camps fake too?

😮😮😮😮

I'm getting tired of all this propaganda... I honestly may leave Lemmy if this keeps up.

"Everything" we've heard about China is a lie? Are you people for fucking real?

Trying to talk about the conversations on Rednote while on .ml is kind of hilarious.

Everyone's pals until you mention Pooh Bear...

China good, US bad! It is known!

Time can't eat away, nor can we be led astray, we'll still remember that day, from Beijing to Taipei..

Stop circlejerking the CCP assholes. While the US system is not great, it's better than one party totalitarian dictatorship.

I'm sorry you haven't paid off 900 in 5 years? That's kinda on you at that point.

Thanks for the flags, I needed them /s

Quick! Somebody link to one thing the US government has said about China.

You lose points by googling, because everyone upvoting surely has seen the US government say something about China and knows where to find that document.

Cringe

If you called Chinese president Winnie the Pooh, then you probably wouldn't receive medical care at all or wouldn't receive a loan.