I'm new and missed the lore

As someone brand new to Lemmy I'm now learning a lot of horrible new info on myself based on arbitrarily signing up for a random instance.
I didn't realize I was supposed to psychically know about lemmy lore before ever using it.
- Please understand that plenty of us do not judge people based on instance at all. I genuinely don't care.
- there's always going to be this stigma against .ml users due to how the .ml instance was formed and how the general userbase behaves.
  the good news is that you are always free to switch instances if you find out that you dislike the instance you are currently on. while your posts, comments, and "karma" won't transfer, you can transfer everything else such as the communities you follow, your settings, and your blocklist.
  
  Karma? I've been on lemmy for 9 months and I don't know that there is karma? Pls tell me mine
- FWIW, I left .ml after about a year (and around a month ago) because there were just enough threads shit flinging and just enough posts like below, and just enough people who would dismiss any argument based on seeing .ml that it annoyed the shit out of me.
  Not for how anyone at .ml ever treated me. (And FTR I'm not a communist)
  So I'd say how much you worry about it is up to you, but switching instances is also pretty easy.
  
  so you admit you're a tankie alt? Good job, see you on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works lol
- didn't you know that signing up for an instance is actually evidence of thoughtcrime?
  
  Every person who signed up for my favorite instance is gold, everyone who signed up for the one I dislike is actually a troll and must be de federated.
- Just drop them like it's hot, lose nothing of value. There is probably an instance local to your nation or you can use .world which is a generic nonspecific Lemmy except they defederate from Hexbear and Lemmygrad because those instances spam so much bot content trying to convince users to off their families and neighbors.
- Most of us don’t judge users but we are internally vocal about our own social challenges.
  .ml is a big instances and people coming from the old web find such attractive, it feels like “the official one” we are well aware.
  The have been attempts to advertise avoiding those but were not exactly a well coordinated organization.
  Regardless the ideology of .ml and others big instances pose a problem in centralized power. Lemmy works best as many tiny servers organically building a network of content and ideas.
  All of Lemmy is accessible as long as your instance is federated (almost all) however some may defederate from those problematic big ones, limiting the posts you can see.
  You wont lose much by changing instance right now. There is no karma or rewards associated with your account. You can also make multiple on different instances with the same user name so you have a backup if your main instance goes down.
  
  Why/how are big instances a problem though?
  
  the ideology of .ml and others big instances pose a problem in centralized power.
  it's not centralized, .world is considerably bigger and way more conservative, like it even has a splinter /c/196 populated with everyone who thought neo pronouns and basic levels of respect were too hard
- Don't worry much about your instance. .ml is fine, but Lemmygrad.ml in particular is a very strange place. Have a look if you want to read what non-religious people hostile to the United States/West think. Sometimes they make good points but they're such fundamentalist assholes about everything.
  
  tbf, if you're not hostile to the US at this point, I'd seriously question your sanity. You don't need to be a tankie for that.
- Just remember that a lot of people on here also used to be the most annoying redditors. Their opinions are worthless.
- You're not expected to know.
  Just sign up somewhere else.
  All accounts are throw away.
  
  This is bad for adoption
- You can always move to another instance. The instance I joined first is very lovely but they're a bit heavy on defederation, so half of the comments are unavailable. It's actually very nice, but fomo is too strong with me. When I feel depressed by humanity, I switch back to that one again and feel better, not seeing all the bullshit.
- It takes nothing to create a new Lemmy account. And there are tons of instances that don’t have authoritarian admins.
- The core community is mainly holier-than-thou FOSS types, and you're surprised that it's insular?
- Same

lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad users verbally fellate contemporary and historical autocratic mass-murderers they deem to be “leftists”, or "great leaders and allies to the cause", most recently being Vladimir Putin, Xi Jingping, and Kim Jong Un.
They are, in reality, bitch-made invertebrates who don’t even have the arm-strength to lift their Molotov-sippy-cups out of their premium-outdoor-brand backpacks, let alone form meaningful opinions on economics, political philosophy, or geopolitical reality.
- Damn it all. They didn't disclose how I was supposed to behave during the sign up process.
  
  The downside of anything decentralized is that only community pressure reduces scams.
  
  Yeah it's a big trick because the ML owners are Tankie scum but they're also the lead developers and I think the own the page which recommends instances.
- JFC son this is not a roast this is a fucking napalm strike, god damn.
- New user checking in, did you use the two asterisks or the pound sign?
  
  Pound, check out Markdown syntax somewhere online. There's a ton of different flavors, but most of the basics (headings/bold/italics/links/etc) are the same.
- So, tankies? At first I got attracted by the leftist/communist/socialist branding of the instance, but at the time the concept of fediverse was too complex for me when I first registered there so I deleted my account. I'm glad I did, then lol, supporting Putin, Xi, Kim just because they are "the left" is like supporting Hitler just because he is "the right".
- So I'm 100% on board with most of what you said but... What on earth does 'bitch-made' mean? It's setting off my women-hating red flags.
  I googled it and scrolled down and got some garbage about a man raised by women, so I have concerns.
  
  Bitch-made, in the literal sense, as in "of ill birth from a mangy female dog".
  I have heard it used in common street language where I'm from from both men and women, gay and straight.
  
  I agree, I don't particularly care about shitting on Putin or any other world leader, it's the thinly veiled misogyny/whatever at 'enemies' broadly with people gleefully encouraging it which makes me respond negatively
- hey look a post from a lib that's so mad about internet forums not following the narrative that they can't contain their homophobia and misogyny 📷
  
  I'm gonna show your comment to my wife, and one of my best friends, at whose gay wedding, I will be speaking. Congrats! You're in the speech! Let's face it, we all need to laugh more in life, and judging by your reaction, I prefer to do it at your expense.
  So please, cry harder, because I need more material!
  🫶🏽🥂
- More of this weird mythological fearmongering. Absolutely nobody on any of those sites believe that Vladimir fucking Putin is a leftist. You are pulling this assertion straight from an uninformed ass.
  
  "If you don't support Russia, you don't understand international geopolitics " ~dessalines
  
  Absolutely nobody on any of those sites believe that Vladimir fucking Putin is a leftist.
  I have seen evidence to the contrary.
  Those wannabe champions of labor are temporarily-inconvenienced-dictators-in-waiting.
  
  The bad part is that they support him, whether or not they consider him a real leftist is less important
- That was beautifully put.
  
  Thank you.

You can see it for yourself.
Write a comment/post critical of china in any community from the lemmy.ml instance.
For example about the Uyghurs or the mass surveillance or whatever is your topic of choice.
See how much time it takes for them to ban you/remove your comment under their rule of "no xenophobia".
- I think the admins call it “Rule 1.”

Because even as the Earth burns and the Fascists march directly due to the capitalist's class conquest, domination, and occupation, even many Americans who believe themselves to be politically leftwing think they can dunk on socialists and communists for their "silly" ideologies based in social cooperation and mutual social benefit where... Gasp... You can't grind yourself to death under the toxic aspiration of attaining immoral levels of wealth to live larger than is reasonable within the finite shared habitat known as Earth.
They of course conveniently forget all the military actions the US has taken over the last century to destabilize nations that wanted to become such societies in order to keep their resource markets open to our capitalist's exploitation.
Oh, and get ready for the hottest summer of your life... So far! 🔥🌎🔥
- Socialism works in theory, but in practice they have not solved the problem of CIA death squads murdering their leaders and fomenting a coup.
  
  A few kinda solved it, namely Soviet Union and Cuba. And libs will never forgive them for it.
- this graphic is missing brazil in 1964 its missing literally every other country that isnt listed.
  now that i think of it, it would probably be easier to list the countries the US didn't destroy in central and south america.
- Anyone who praises Xi Jingping, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong Un, and <insertAuthoritarianMurdererHere> as hard as I routinely see on lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad is an awful person and deserves derision, contempt, and distrust. They can call themselves a "leftist", "socialist", "communist", or a whatever-ist. Fundamentally, they're edgelord bootlickers and temporarily inconvenienced dictators-in-waiting.
  "wHaTaBoUt USA, iSrAeL, nAtO, etc.?"
  You can hate "The West", their people, their foreign policy, and their economics.
  Doesn't mean you should suck dictators' dicks because they're "not The West".
  
  Liberals keep telling me to support the lesser evil in elections, but when I apply that to geopolitics they get mad...
  
  <insertAuthoritarianMurdererHere>
  Like Dessalines?
  
  wtf is that wrong with xi jingping
  
  Doesn't mean you should suck dictators' dicks
  Why the homophobic comment though
- Some of these events were egregious and deserve condemnation but tbh 56 "events" in the span of 59 years doesn't seem all that bad. It's not like they've conquered any of them. Even the Panama Canal was treated as working relationship and eventually the US pulled out of operating it.
  US Military Bases are all over the world because those actually do stabilize the regions against outside threats. Without them, some of these smaller nations would not exist today.

Went there first since I consider myself a leftist. Seen multiple thirstposts for Stalin and the likes: pretty picture with a popular quote. Comments all in the realm of "yes daddy".
I hate capitalism as much as the next guy, just don't see a point of swapping it for an equally bad form of repression.

Something else I’ve not seen mentioned here is:
It’s pretty easy to see how the admins rule all of the communities while the moderators of those communities seem to be nothing more than flaccid ineffective grunts that do nothing but let it happen.
For evidence, check the modlogs and see that the bans/removals from .ml are always done by the same two people. Then, note how those two people don’t even moderate the communities the comments/bans were issues from. This is not a bias. It’s verifiable by simply checking the logs.
Then, note how most of the bans/removals don’t even violate the rules, but seemingly only hurt the feelings of the aforementioned admins.
They are a walled garden of propaganda-riddled rhetoric.
Additionally, many of the kids that habituate that place come in to other instances and stir pots, debate-troll people, and generally shit all over everything, and then cry and accuse everyone of bias when they get moderated by ACTUAL moderators.
The evidence here, lies in the modlogs of all the people complaints about how shitty .world and other instances are. Check for yourself. See that I’m not lying.
Lastly, I’ve not once ever posted, or commented in a single community of .ml, so unlike them- my bias is driven by real-world evidence, and not anecdotal reactionary temper tantrums.
- So, hasn't there been any discussion about unfedding from lemmy.ml and similar toxic instances?
  
  Most places are defederated from grad and hex already. ML is essentially considered too big to fail so most sites won't defed from them.
- I am not banned nor downvoted for telling people when they romanticize USSR or how USSR fucked my country.
  I think I got banned from some trans group for calling their arrogance that I should care about every Dick and Harry enough to ask them about their pronouns.
  I don't give a fuck, will call you whatever you look like, and if it's neither you're gonna be called petal.
  I have no clue where do you find the people you write about. Also, like most lemmy users I picked this instance at random.
  
  if you can't even muster up basic respect for other people do you think they should respect you or your sensibilities?
  
  You’re quite the class act, aren’t you?

Ahh shit. I chose this when Lemmy was young.
- Account hopping costs nothing (it's not like Lemmy has "karma")
  I made my first account on dotworld, but then dotworld started doing defederations I didn't like. Now I'm in a furry-centric instance. :P
  
  I guess I can't notice the absence of something but the only defederations I know of are Hexbear and Lemmygrad and good fucking riddance because those instances just spam posts asking westerners to kill their family and neighbors in praise of the glorious leaders of the east.

Because there's not a lot of brain cells in .ml and they are confidently incorrect on a regular basis.
- It's not exclusive to ML though.

They're fascist sympathizers. They like dictators.
- I joined .ml because I didn't want to join .world to avoid centralizing, I liked the idea of a Leftist server and a brief scan showed lemmygrad was notorious for tankies. I'm not actually ML. I don't like dictators.

I've only blocked a few ml users but I made sure to block that instance.

at this point i think you would be better off checking it out for a while and seeing if its for you. the answers here are extremely biased so far.
- Documented evidence on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
  Or here for a sampling:
  From censorship, bans and bias towards their "in crowd":
  https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
  https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
  https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
  https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
  https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
  https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
  https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
  https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
  https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
  https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
  https://lemmy.world/post/27054157
  https://lemmy.world/post/27008261
  To altering headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:
  https://lemmy.world/post/27428838
  https://lemmy.world/post/27416097
  https://lemmy.world/post/27314050
  https://lemmy.world/post/27288953
  That spew Russian talking points like Ukraines invasion just being a "negotiating tactic" https://lemmy.world/post/27012640
  To general hostility to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
  To their open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
  To even "concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren't that bad https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
  
  The real MVP here. Well done. I wish I had the patience to track their bullshit.
- And .ml is absolutely unbiased and doesnt censor!
  Oh wait, they are and do:
  https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
  https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
  https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
  https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
  https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
  https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
  https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
  https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
  https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
  https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
  https://lemmy.world/post/27054157
  https://lemmy.world/post/27008261
- It it’s better that people provide receipts to prove what they’re saying.
- holy strawman

Because it's not cool to be Malian /s

I don't know. I'm on ml. Something about 'tankies'? I dont bother thinking about those cliques and ppl being so clique-y, and nor should anyone else. immature behaviour tbh, but I haven't received any teasing for being on ml so I think it's a minority of people who really dislike lefties maybe?
- Its not about all users on ml, but about the quite big (or very loud) group of ml users being tankies. This phenomenon is so wide spread, that in most cases when you see a tankie somewhere they are usually coming from ml.
  
  Except now y’all broadly apply “tankie” to anyone who’s anti-war, so it’s lost all meaning.

It’s capitalist and pro-war propaganda.

A few select .world users make a big fuss out of nothing in order to keep people signing up to their centralized instance.
- A "big fuss" with a whole lot of documentation:
  From censorship, bans and bias towards their "in crowd":
  https://lemmy.world/post/27674360
  https://lemmy.world/post/27674117
  https://lemmy.world/post/27673934
  https://lemmy.world/post/27673724
  https://lemmy.world/post/27577337
  https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
  https://lemmy.world/post/27346630
  https://lemmy.world/post/27341283
  https://lemmy.world/post/27288224
  https://lemmy.world/post/27156418
  https://lemmy.world/post/27054157
  https://lemmy.world/post/27008261
  To altering headlines and permitting known propaganda outlets:
  https://lemmy.world/post/27428838
  https://lemmy.world/post/27416097
  https://lemmy.world/post/27314050
  https://lemmy.world/post/27288953
  That spew Russian talking points like Ukraines invasion just being a "negotiating tactic" https://lemmy.world/post/27012640
  To general hostility to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
  To their open declaration of support for Russia (direct from dessalines) https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
  To even "concentration camps were just reeducation camps and weren't that bad https://lemmy.world/post/26985447
  
  It is crazy how obsessed you are with .ml while .world is calling cartoons critical of Israel "antisemitism".
- Again, this is another perfect example to my earlier point that the majority of people whining about .world go there to stir the pot, violate the rules, get their shit removed, and then misinform the reasons. It tracks right along with their political ideology.
  Modlog for reference.
  
  You can stop defending Israel here. Read the post I linked and respond to it if you dare.

.world got big mad that .ml users pointed out the genocide was a genocide and America was helping it
- And I've got .ml continuing to spread bLuEmAGa crap and openly praising Trump because he's doing what they want, screwing over a whole ton of people in the process including the LGBTQ+ community which is hilarious considering they position themselves as the LGBTQ+ instance The ends justify the means amiright?
- This is a perfect example to my earlier point that the majority of people whining about .world go there to stir the pot, violate the rules, get their shit removed, and then misinform the reasons.
  Modlog for reference.
  
  .world goes to .ml to break the rules: "Help help, they're censoring me! I only said that my government was objectively good in the world!"
  .ml goes to .world to break the rules: "You're just steering the pot, shut up loser."
  
  Ok buddy genocider, you go be "civil" to Nazis lol
  Btw, that "pictures of dead babies" was a Japanese soldier bayoneting a Chinese infant as part of a literal baby murdering contest in the invasion of Nanking, in response to someone trying to pretend Japan was the victim of WW2.

It's a psyop to keep the left divided. And all the "smart" people of Lemmy have fallen hook, line and sinker.
- lol
  Yeah, we definitely pick on them as part of a Soros-backed psyop and not because they have some amazingly garbage takes.
  
  I spend my Soros cheques on board games
  
  I thought they meant the opposite - that the psyop is presenting "the state will totally wither this time bro" as leftist.

The developers who created Lemmy are leftists, and they run the lemmy.ml instance. The lemmy.ml (.ml is for Mali, btw) domain was allegedly chosen because ML can also stand for Marxist-Leninist.
I'm not an expert on the subject, but lemmy.ml users are known for being tankies. People don't like that.
However, some of you whipper snappers don't know that those of us with really old accounts joined back when lemmy.ml was the most popular instance. I just like FOSS things.
Edit: added "allegedly"
- The lemmy.ml (.ml is for Mali, btw) domain was chosen because ML can also stand for Marxist-Leninist.
  Do you have the developers actually claiming this, or only second hand information? I was under the impression that they chose .ml because they were handing those domains out for free.
  
  I have not verified the validity of those claims. I'll edit the post to reflect that.
- I'm on ML because it is the dev's instance, that's it. Also, I dislike how .world is run.
  
  .ca is a bit more sane and not as authoritarian as .world or .ml. I don't mind .world, but their admins are inconsistent, IMO
  
  Yeah, it's a shame that there are only two instances: .ml and .world
  
  I left .world for sh.itjust.works....eyeing db0 tho
  
  Just don't post anything anti China or Russia and you'll be fine.
  
  Lemm.ee we tell you about my instance then... :)
- Yeah, and them being trigger-happy with the ban hammer is why Lemmy exists at all today. All Reddit alternatives back then were Nazi hotpots, because pretty much only folks who got banned from Reddit joined the alternatives (and back then, Reddit moderation primarily concerned itself with Nazis).
  They would show up on dev.lemmy.ml, too, and "just ask questions", like if an immigrant did a certain crime, would you want them deported?
  These questions served no point other than to drive the conversation tone to the right.
  And yeah, I was glad that the admins were always vigilant about that and immediately banned anyone asking such 'questions', even if it may have thrown legitimately curious folks under the bus, because it allowed proper conversations to exist.
  Of course, I have survivorship bias. I don't concern myself with China or Russia nearly enough to have specific opinions about them.
  But when someone is not being intentionally intolerant, I am of the opinion that talking to them is worth it and the only way to help center opinions which one might perceive as extreme.
  But well, I also don't concern myself with my admins nearly enough to have specific opinions about their opinions either. I don't have to agree with everything they think, just because I'm on their instance, so I don't care nearly as much as some other folks here.
  
  That doesn’t follow. Truth Social exists, is full of fascists, and is way bigger than Lemmy.
  If it weren’t for Reddit deciding to turn against their users in a very dramatic way, Lemmy would still just be a tiny leftist community rather than what it is now: a larger, but still small, mostly leftist, but slightly more centrist, mix of communities that fight all the time.
  I came over with the initial wave of Reddit refugees. Lemmy was quite bad back then, with a lot of crap I had to block. It’s better today but it still has a very long way to go.
- Also a lot of people just join a random popular instance at the start before looking into political shit like this, and they don’t want to switch later on.
  
  Why is your username red? What sorcery is this?
- At this point I'm not sure if they are tankies, or whether they've just been called tankies by people who call all leftists tankies.
  
  I'm an anarchist, these people are the kind of genocide appreciators who call all dissenting leftists tankies
  
  https://lemmy.world/post/27513594
  https://lemmy.world/post/27378634
  https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
  
  I dont think they are tankies. I am an anarchist and I believe communism is as evil as capitalism. I am lemmy.ml so I dont think they are tankies.
  
  Anyone who calls out western evil and lies is a tankie.
- My words. We arent done justice
- I cannot support an instance where criticism of countries like North Korea or Venezuela is sanctioned with 30 day bans, even defending the Russian invasion of Ukraine is tolerated. I love open source software and it breaks my heart, but I completely blocked .ml after multiple incidents I witnessed or was part of in the news and worldnews communities.
  Also I cannot really understand the argument of having an "old account". All it means on Lemmy is having a year and a month in your profile. It is even a good idea to switch your account from time to time to stay more anonymous.
  
  Yeah I made this account with my reddit username. Made another account that I'm building up with a dif username to be more anon and less attachment so more easily abandon able
- Tankies aren't real leftists. They're morons who honor authority over freedom to the point they'll suck off authoritarians from history. Basically (very, very basically), they're the authoritarian "left"... as much as anyone who is rightly left honors undue authority...
  
  The problem is that y’all believe, that acknowledging many of the claims about those countries to be CIA hoaxes, is also somehow a declaration of approval of those countries policies.
  You may not like those countries, but you’re taking that to mean you have to personally adopt the position of defending the bullshit lies you’ve been told about them.
- I am confused now. I was just called a "leftist Nazi" and "liberal right wing nazi". Lulz.
  My point is that I think the terms "leftist" and "liberal" have been redefined again, just as a heads up.
  
  It's a weird situation. Billionaires successfully dissolved the left into factions of people who all in-fight over whether or not you're allowed to say retard, or the n word (hey look I must be one of them). Identity politics. Really unimportant nonsense.
  They also successfully got the right to worship billionaires.
  Not to get too tin foil hat, but at this point I think it's safe to say reddit was a psyop.
  
  Those terms don't have definitions. People use them twice on the same phrase where each occurrence has a different meaning.

Okay, so for some context .ml is run by the Lemmy devs and the devs are openly tankies (authoritarian communists). .ml, along with Lemmygrad (also run by the devs) and Hexbear are known as the Tankie Triad. While not as bad as the other two, .ml still has a lot of tankies compared to instances that aren't part of the triad. Additionally, .ml used to be the recommended instance (until .world came along), making it one of the more populated instances. Most other instances defederate with Lemmygrad and Hexbear, but not necessarily .ml.
Basically, there's a lot of extremely opinionated and often combative people there and provoking them (intentionally or not) is very easy.
That's my understanding of the situation anyway.
- All three are very reasonable and fun if you go in actually willing to chat.
  
  Lmao, the ModLog begs to differ.
  
  A thread today had every comment criticizing Republicans deleted. Why the fuck would you visit a place plagued with such censorship!?
- I don't know what I expected but it wasn't this. I had no idea.
  
  !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works might be helpful to better understand the situation

Basically, .ml Tankies (I don't consider all .ml users to be Tankies just because they're a .ml users) are authoritarian ~~bootlickers~~ “communists” pretending not to be who routinely deny the human rights violations of the CCP/Russia and hold them up as the gold standard. They refuse to recognize China, Russia and even NK as being authortarian regimes or if they do, its OK/Neccessary because it takes down the west/capitalism. If you have a historical fact that puts any of those countries in a bad light, they’ll probably deny it happend or is just “western propganda.”
So they believe and spread things like the Russia narratives on Ukraine (When it happened they were parroting the whole “special military operation” thing, the current thing is that it was “just a diplomatic maneuver to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table”)
Hex and Grad are very in your face about it, but .ml tends to be more subtle, often opting instead to remove dissenting comments and ban users before letting threads get out of control. So, as a result many instances defed from those 2.
.ml is run by the head Lemmy devs who are, unfortunately, hardcore Tankies themselves and tend to enforce the Tankie mindset throughout with more subtlety through mod/admin action. Or allowing known propaganda outlets to fester
You can check out !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works if you want to see some documentation of their actions, words and censoring. What I've linked here is but a mere sampling of what's been collected there
- New users, I recommend blocking this account in particular. This person is completely off the rails, and spends their time on Lemmy pushing debunked western propaganda.
  
  Yea, Western propaganda, like how Russia is just actually the good guys and was totally justified in invading Ukraine to stop the Nazis! Or maybe the "Banderists" or was it actually just a diplomatic maneuver?
  I have lots of documented evidence on !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works to support my stance on lemmy.ml, Tankies and the Tankie Triad, where's yours? Because the last time I replied to you with all my evidence you checked out and never replied
- More completely made up anti-commie shit. It is not popular in any of those instances to think that Russia isn't a fascist fuckup of a government.
  
  LMAO tons of my official evidence posts link back to, not only the relevant thread, but to the modlog as well in addition to literal screenshots
- ^ This is the most accurate explanation. I was on .ml for quite a while before I realized the pattern that any time I criticized Russian attacks or war crimes, I got downvoted and brigaded. Any time I promoted Ukraines right to defend itself I got downvoted and brigaded. Often my posts were removed. Try to mention tienamen square there ;-). They will come troll threads on other instances from time to time too. I just block them these days and refuse to subscribe to any .ml communities.
- There are fully factual bases for denying nearly every western smear. That people are invested in hatred formed by US/western propaganda, means all facts and reality are "tankie propaganda".
  
  Me: Brings receipts
  Tankies: "Yea...bu..but... well ACkShuLly it's just because of your HaTREd as a result of you being fed WeStERn PrOPaGAnDa, so it's all INVALID! FAKE NEWS!!"
  Thanks for the tag!

(Takes a deep breath, clears mind, gets into character)
This meme format is a product of capitalism, posted to a capitalist instance, and you should be ashamed. Instead of posting an image of a capitalist pig, why aren't you out in the streets burning shit down??/? There's no good capitalist. If you're not out in the streets overthrowing capitalism and burning everything down, RIGHT NOW, you're part of the problem! Rabble Rabble Rabble, guillotines, violence violence violence.
In a nutshell, anyway. Or at least that's how it was from users there on every 3rd post/comment before my instance finally defederated.
- The main problem is that any criticism of China is met with an instant ban, as per "Rule 1, 2".
  
  Their ideology is inconsistent with their rhetoric. They do support capitalism and billionaires if it's anti-west. I just poke a bit here and there with a bit of warning that it's not east vs west but rather it's rich vs poor.
  
  Well, I was banned from ml because of a conversation on another instance. It was something about reporting all ml posts as a rule 1 violation... I guess that could be considered inciting unrest against the CCP and Mother Russia.
- Oof. That is a lot to take in. Thank you for this; it all makes sense now.
  
  I mean, my example is over-simplified and slightly exaggerated (though not by much), and it just got old FAST. No idea if it's still like that or if they've toned down as an instance, but I've been happy without them, so not gonna rock that particular boat.
  
  Here’s a sub that has fun watching the Tankie Triad.

Many (not all) ml users are fairly rabid when it comes to their own flavor of propaganda. If you ever casually chat with them on Lemmy, just understand that they have a completely different world view so don't mention things related to politics, country borders, history, government structure, major battles during WW2, sparrow populations or what color the sky is and you should be fine.
- What do you mean? The sky is obviously red and yellow.
  
  Red and gold! Not yellow, gold! See what you started?
  
  'Madame, if that's the way you see it, so be it. ' - M.C. Escher

The problem is .ml’s rules are inconsistent. Criticism against China is put under the rule “be respectful”, but you can criticise any other nation or group, except for maybe Hezbollah.
If they would just write it in the rules, like they did on their old PeerTube instance PeerTube.social, I wouldn’t mind.
- Oh you can drag anyone through the mud there, and you can do it with as little respect as possible! Totally within the rules.
  But even if you politely disagree with the admins Russia/China bias, it’s an instant RuLe 1 violation.
- To be fair I've seen the exact same treatment in mods and admins from other places. Just changing the subjects.
  Just recently in a community I would not mention a mod started to straight up insulting me while pointing out how I was breaking the rules by not providing source for every word I wrote and the rules said that I must source my arguments. (Spoilers they didn't back up their claims either, and went into a breakruling name-calling streak just to top it). And it was not on .ml or anything related.
  Power tripping mods be power tripping mods.
- Yea, on .ml as long as you're in the in crowd you can say all pejoratives you want like "shitlib" and the most you'll (maybe) get is a 24 hour ban, but if you say tankie you'll get slapped with at least a 14 day ban
  
  Ever notice how no mods ever moderate shit there? It’s just the two crybaby admins. Always. They rule that shithole with an iron fist. The ineffective local law is a limp, powerless prop that is overruled by authoritarians.
  Which is pretty ironic when you think about it.

Wow that's super interesting. I just signed up for Lemmy last month and I just googled what to sign up for and .Ml was the first one that came up. Fuck tankies and fuck commies so I guess I'm definitely going to get lumped into them for now. Oh well
- Fuck tankies and fuck commies
  ...said the citizen whose decaying world is governed by the sworn enemies of communism: fascists.
  
  It's almost like fascism and communism are both bad and being a true neutral Chad is the only way forward in life. Grill baby grill
- Nah commies are cool, tankies aren't
  
  There is no form of commie in the world that libs won't decry as a tankie anyway. Don't bother playing into the word games.
  
  they are the same thing.
  tankie is just a generic derogatory slang for leftist.
  
  Yeah but 98% of the self identified communists you find on Lemmy are actually just Tankies. Part of it is that most reasonable folk would rather call themselves a democratic socialist than a communist, as the latter has become entrenched in the philosophy of the USSR.
- One of those rare comments I would downvote if it was sarcastic or not.
- Oh wow, I guess I'm on the same boat then. Signed up on the first instance I found back when reddit announced the API changes and did not realize.
  
  See my stupid username? I signed up to 3 instances one of them the insufferable tankie hellhole called ML
- Hide? Honestly I have no idea.

Literal Russian propaganda

I didn't knew about this, thanks

ML stands for Marxist Leninism, so that’s a clue
- no idea why one of the only accurate posts in this thread is downvoted all the way down here.
  thats exactly what it is, and summing it up its why western libs hate it so hard.
- Lol no, Tankie are authoritarians who've latched onto regimes who merely claim to be communistic/socialist i.e. China and Russia. That's the part people hate, not communism/socialism in general
  
  Marxist-Leninism is NOT communism/socialism in general. that's Stalin's term for his own personal politics, or as the rest of us know it, Stalinism. the use of that word is an intentional trick to convince people who don't know its origins or its specifics it's something it isn't

They are part of the Fediverse Tankie Triad and therefor a bunch of insufferable gobshites. For more context, enjoy what the other people in this thread will tell you. I blocked lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net.
It's a peaceful life. :)
- it's actually 'tankie troika' like if you're going to make up a name at least have it roll off the tongue
  
  Comrade, don't help them come up with creative names, comrade

lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad users verbally fellate contemporary and historical autocratic mass-murderers they deem to be “leftists”, or "great leaders and allies to the cause", most recently being Vladimir Putin, Xi Jingping, and Kim Jong Un.