8mo ago

You heard #Adobe. Deep down you knew this was coming. Now all your art are belong to them. Time to move on to better things...

Kreative Suite
Krita is your new design/painting app
Kdenlive will give you video-editing powers
glaxnimate adds 2D vector animations to you videos
digiKam organises your collection images

https://kde.org/for/creators/
Also:
Inkscape - create sophisticated vector-graphic designs
Scribus - layout like a pro
GIMP - need we say more
Blender - ditto

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8mo ago

You heard #Adobe. Deep down you knew this was coming. Now all your art are belong to them. Time to move on to better things...

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If you are a creative freelancer and have any confidentiality agreement with your clients, then it is now impossible to use Adobe without violating those agreements.
And there is massive liability if you mess it up.

Im glad open source creative software is so good now, i havent cared about adobe in ages
- Yet if you want certification to get a job people keep asking to be trained on proprietary tech. I mean I totally agree with you man but the academic market is frustrating.
- Right, I'm not a creative professional but the occasions I need tools adobe provides there are plenty of open source alternatives I use instead.
  Sadly most people won't care about what adobe is doing, but I can only hope they continue to shoot themselves in the foot. I yearn for the day when they aren't the dominant player in the space, maybe in 15 years.
  
  Sadly most people won’t care about what adobe is doing
  I hope they are made to care via the court system, because it is now legally impossible to use Adobe for most proprietary purposes.
  
  If this post is true a lot more of the people who matter should be caring once they become aware and if they don't them the people who need confidentiality should. We'll see how the cards fall.

God damn Adobe... we know you are bad but not THAT bad.
- What happened?
  
  They updated their TOS to say they can access and review anything you create on their products: https://80.lv/articles/people-aren-t-happy-with-adobe-s-spyware-like-terms-of-service-update/
  
  Locked a bunch of the production industry/creatives/graphic artists/etc. completely out of creative cloud and all of its apps until they signed a new TOS. They gave no heads up about it and basically it lets them use all your media however they want, super invasive stuff.
  Two months ago I convinced my company to switch over to Da Vinci resolve and I am never going back. It is objectively the better tool in every regard for video editing. The only thing I will miss from Adobe is their audio enhance tool, but we will survive lol
- @DmMacniel @kde every publicly traded corporation, or corporation effectively controlled by one, will always do the worst thing they can get away with

Thank God .... I've been on Gimp and Scribus for the past 15 years, mainly because I could never afford Adobe products for the little bit of work I needed them for.
I was open source a long time ago because I just couldn't afford paying for stuff for the little time I needed software. Now I'm happy to be fully open source and even contribute with donations to the projects I like the most. I donate annually now to projects like Wikipedia, Libreoffice, Scribus and Fediverse developers and projects.
This is one criticism I'll always have with open source supporters ... if you want open source alternatives, contribute with donations to them. Give anything you can afford ... $1, $2, $10 ... because they need money to survive and stay engaged and committed to their project.
If we all just stand aside and take advantage of free open software and not give anything, then we are no better than the corporations we were trying to avoid. Instead of corporations taking advantage of us, we are taking advantage of developers.
So if you want these open projects to live and survive, contribute to them with whatever you got. If we all just gave a dollar each to these projects, no matter what they are, the developers would have more than enough to maintain their work.
And whatever you contribute, it will be far less than the hundreds of dollars annually you would have given to a big corporation that would have just counted your money as profit and not directly contribute or support the actual developers.
- I like to support by buying merch. My Blender Hat got me so many thumbs up by strangers, it feels like bikers or Westphalia 0r brotherhood's signing each other's.
  
  Great idea because the merch acts as an advertisement to support the project and create awareness. It's the main reason why corporations like Adobe are so successful - they have a pervasive marketing campaign. We should do the same and wearing a hat, t-shirt or bag would help do that.
  Now you got me thinking about what to buy from the projects I like to support. Thanks

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
I support people trying new things! I hate Adobe!
However, all of the tools here, save for Blender and maybe Kdenlive, are lacking somewhat in either features or UX. Inkscape is not comparable to Illustrator in my recent experience, and even Krita, while decent, has some weird decisions that don't make much sense from a workflow perspective.
I commonly hear criticism met with either "Add the feature yourself, it's open source" (I am a visual artist with experience using digital art tools, not a C++ programmer) or "It's not supposed to replace comparable software" (then your software might as well not bother competing if it's not going to work much better than the other options). I have a necessity to switch, but I can't use these tools yet if they don't behave how I need them to, often how swaths of other competing software behaves. I'm willing to curb my expectations, I don't expect things to be perfect, but the amount of configuration I need to do to get similar workflows like comparable software is rough. I think once that gets addressed, more people will be interested in switching.
I'm so convinced it isn't even a feature issue, more of a look and feel with sane defaults sort of issue.
- Don't take this the wrong way. While I appreciate the tact with which you have expressed your criticisms, but you may find that your objections all boil down to "I am used to a certain set of tools and now I have to change. The new tools do things differently and I am confused and it is messing with my productivity", that is, the problem is not entirely with the new software, but with you, your workflow and your muscle memory.
  
  @Bro666 i appreciate your reply! I'll link you to my response to a different post here outlining a bit more of my experience. tl;dr, I've used multiple programs in personal and academic settings. Some FOSS options are great and comparable! Some miss the mark, even if they get close. It's not for lack of trying, it's that out of the multiple programs I've learned over the years, the FOSS options tend to be the odd ones out.
  https://woof.tech/@crocodisle/112579981685976482
  Even blender is guity of this with its default control scheme being the odd one out among Maya, Unity, and Substance, but it can be modified enough to make up for this and has other attractive aspects to make it a worthy contender. Digital tools tend to be used in an ecosystem that they are integrated with. Learning new workflows if fine, but there's value in being able to do what's already being done well in a similar way without much fuss.
  
  hi! this is a way of reacting to criticism that I feel very often, but this is misleading to me because it does not consider the most important structural factor, that is the environment in which it "grows", also digitally. you are inhabited since young people to use the pc in a certain way, to use programs in a certain way. for me the FOSS software is a political issue, if it is important that people approach you should mediate through interfaces and beautiful workflows to see (and imo current ones are not beautiful) and easy to adopt for those coming from the most mainstream programs.
  if it is believed that the software foss is official remains in the niche in which it is locate (so that people outside the FOSS or should not approach or can do it hard to get used to a new way of using IT means, thus invisible the structural action of society and responsibilities and culpritizing the individual people without doing a collective and broad analysis, typical discussion brought by non-politicized or liberal people) while the rest of society is devoured by multinationals I understand it but I do not agree: I consider it part of a political struggle also anti-capitalist
  
  The issue comes when trying to convince many people used to the old tools to adopt the new one. Having to un- and relearn your skills is a massive UX hurdle. That's not an issue of the users, but of the application not catering to that use case (encouraging people to switch and easing them into the new environment). Every difficulty, every extra step you have to take, every workflow habit you have to adapt is a detriment.
  The tools can be great in a vacuum, but when we're talking about people switching, they're no longer in a vacuum.
- Have you sent any tickets to tell them to fix what you think needs fixing? Just like you are a visual artist and not a programmer, they are programmers and not visual artist (at least not all of them) so any feedback is welcomed.
  
  @bufalo1973 I've gotten some mixed feedback by the community in the past that was discouraging enough to dissuade getting involved, but I'm reconsidering it now. Thanks for the input!
- What do you miss in Krita?

@kde@lemmy.kde.social
We would like to remind you that both @Krita and @kdenlive are currently running fundraisers:
Krita :
https://krita.org/en/donations/
Kdenlive :
https://kdenlive.org/en/fund/
videoediting #painting #fundraiser #FreeSoftware

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social you can also use #FreeCAD to draw up your house or anything else parametrically, and then export as STL and use #blender to make a movie of it/with it.
- FreeCAD has become soooo good!
  
  @Bro666 @werefreeatlast It’s critically important to manage users expectations with #FOSS - FC is still uniquely set up and challenging to use.
  It’s amazing what it can do, but development-wise it feels like #Blender long before it really hit its stride (as well as getting quality tutorials like Blender Guru) several years ago.
  
  @Bro666 @werefreeatlast Has it? I was using it not even 1 year ago and I concluded I'd rather use Blender.
  The face naming problem aside, I left feeling very frustrated about a lot of things. Like how hard it was to reuse sketches on parts that would mesh because you'd end up with the dependency loop checker refusing to solve for constraints across parts that shared a sketch.
- @werefreeatlast @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Worth noting Blender has improved dramatically for precision work, including a full blown CAD skarcher plugin that uses SolveSpace under the hood.
  https://www.cadsketcher.com/
- @werefreeatlast
  Depending on what your needs are, #OpenSCAD works well and is easy to get started with.
  @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social

I was using Krita for almost everything anyway already. The only thing I still need Photoshop for is in the very rare times I need to add curved text to an image. And for that I have a Jack Sparrow edition of Photoshop that runs in a virtual machine that isn't allowed to connect to the internet.

https://www.darktable.org/ A Lightroom alternative?
- I have been using adobe for over a decade and started disliking the corporate part more and more. Then I discovered Darktable and immediately fell in love. If I could chose I'd pick Darktable always.

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Just a matter of time before Microsoft do something similar with #recall

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social kdenlive is based and changed me. thank you kde for making it so based.

If youre making art for them to control they should be paying you for it

I hate adobe and have been actively trying to switch away from them for a while. I work in game development, though, and for some reason no one has made it as easy to directly modify the alpha channel of a texture. It's something I have to do a lot and is probably the one thing keeping me from using krita or affinity photo.
- @Nachorella
  Gimp can do that if I recall correctly.
  @kde
  
  I'll try it again, looks like it's come some way since I last checked.

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social happy to see glaxnimate officially promoted by KDE.

A link to what happened would be useful
- https://lemmy.kde.social/comment/3894129

I have been searching for good alternatives to AE and Premiere for a while now. I have messed with DaVinci a few times, but always bounced off. Any suggestions. Bonus points if anyone can point me in the direction of a Lightroom alternative.
- For video editing, Kdenlive is the best alternative I found so far, although it takes some time to get used to. For something AE related, check out Blender. It might be a bit overkill for most projects, but it is very powerful. As a lightroom alternative there's Darktable. All of the mentioned software also has the advantage of being free and open source.
  
  I am super impressed by Blender, but there's not really a substitute for After Effects yet, open source or otherwise.
- i like Vegas over premeire
- Capture One is great. Better than LR for many things, especially tethered shooting, but I still need LR for specific workflows (timelapse processing).

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social This post reads funnier with the implication that it's a threat from KDE.

@kde@lemmy.kde.social
Context:
https://youtu.be/ZI1wFN8pbXM
adobe #evil #photoshop #premiere #ai
- YouTube would be smart enough not to advertise Adobe creative cloud in the pre-roll ads of this video, right? Right???
- @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social well it appears as though #youtube has now become a "gated community" the #YT frontends are not working. It prompts a login to prove you're not a bot:(

@kde @kde@lemmy.kde.social @darktable don't forget #darktable for your raw photo editing needs!!

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Synfig Studio is a powerful tool for creating film-quality animation using vector and bitmap artwork.

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Don't forget Darktable to fill-in for Lightroom!

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
See also this great curated list of #FOSS creative tools collected by @ADHDefy
https://delightful.club/delightful-creative-tools
If you have more such fine projects, then create an issue or PR. The link to the repository is at the top of the delightful page.

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Bro, even YOU guys are suggesting GIMP, meanwhile most people try to use Krita as an image editor cuz of the UI and other issues i can't fully understand.
Is like using a Lawnmower to cut wood.
Edit: I need to clarify that i'm saying that people are using the WRONG TOOL for the job, i'm not saying either of these programs suck.
- Krita is great for drawing. It is made for it.
  People really try to use Krita for photo editing?
- Are you saying gimp sucks or krita sucks?
  
  @TrickDacy I'm saying that people are using the WRONG TOOL for the job, none of those program suck.

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Glaxnimate really needs some love, though it's pretty powerful.

By comparison Inkscape was made assuming the user knows what they’re doing, very intuitive. Illustrator has so much handholding that its like it was designed assuming you do not know what you are doing. I’ve ready made several thousand using only Inkscape professionally. Illustrator is not needed.

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social @marcel
fotografie #photography
@darktable
@photoprism
https://rawtherapee.com/
https://hugin.sourceforge.io/
https://exiftool.org/
https://imagemagick.org/

@kde Don't forget about Darktable for advanced photo editing. :)

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Thank you. I was actually just looking for a 2D vector animation program.

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social where's the love for xfig?

@kde @kde@lemmy.kde.social This is why I use Linux.

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Thanks for this post. It's super helpful! Do you have any suggestions for replacing substance painter? I've been getting by fine with blender and krita. Your kdenlive suggestion was a godsend! 🤩

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Don't forget Darktable!

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social now do Substance Painter
- @mathias @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Materialize, Blender + addons like Mask Tools

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Also Affinity Photo has now 50% discount :)
- Just wait until Canva ruins it.

In all fairness, Adobe has posted a clarification: https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/07/adobe-terms-clarified/
Do what thou wilst with it.
- So or they are backtracking like Slack did a couple of weeks ago and will seek a way to still do this when no-one is looking, or they are obfuscating their true intentions with blah, or they will just keep users in the dark and lie.
  If anyone believes Adobe is not going to take their work and still make them pay for an extortionate license, send them my way, as I have a bridge to sell them.
  
  Fully agree, by the way. It’s a great scam they’re pulling off here. God, I wish I wasn’t suffering from ethics.

Y'all dont block all the .exe files with your firewall? I been doing that for years. I anticipate being stuck with the near current version of Photoshop I have now. An update never occurs, but thats okay. Ive got windows update disconfigured and blocked, too.
Ive found that originally, updates actually fixed problems, but it seems for the last few years, updates only benefit the company and not the user. They are either trying to reinvent the wheel, increase data mining, restricting access in the name of better services, to gear up towards changing to some bullshit form of a subscription service (again, to provide you better services! Better for them...)
And, sometimes, updates just straight up break things. I've soured to allowing any updates when things are already working smoothly.
- Only problem is that by disabling all windows updates, you don't even get security updates, which on windows, is more critical than anywhere else, from where I am sitting
  
  They are talking about application updates, not operating system updates.

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social Kdenlive it´s awsome, thanks 👍

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social @noondlyt Don’t forget Serif / Affinity! Left Adobe for them a decade ago, first class tools 👏🏽

@kde @kde I wish gimp had been updated at all in the past 10 years
They keep teasing that major update but nothing yet.

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
Adobe is the new out...
Krita is Kool along with FreeCad

Gimp might be allright but I prefer pixlr (an online app) as an alternative to photoshop.

@kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social If only you were right, but be serious the quality of Adobe softwares is 300 % better than any soft you cite.
- @greenman @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
  That's a nice round number. How did you get to it?
  
  @Bro666 @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social the same method used to affirm you can replace Adobe softwares by the listed softs
- So the quality is worth the price of not owning the work you do?
  I guess everyone has to make their own call...
  
  @deaffish i have never said that ! I totally disagree their abusing methods but it is a different question than claiming does softs listed are as good, bref don't want to troll
- @greenman @kde@floss.social @kde@lemmy.kde.social
  It also uses at least 300% more resources and makes PCs run like dogshit, it's super awesome!
  
  Are you implying that Adobe products are not "300% better"??!??! Outrageous.

Gimp is not ready and the best alternative is the Windows only intensionally Linux incompatible Affinity Photo.
- Gimp has been fine for many tasks for the last 20+ years, yes it's not Photoshop and may never be a 1:1 replacement.
  But I'm sure that has never been the goal.
  
  I don't know, around 2002 it was only a bit behind, well outside of the weird ui and since then unfortunately not much has changed for Gimp. Back then I felt that they were quite interchangeable.
  
  It's 2024 and GIMP will only now be getting the ability to do non-destructive editing through adjustment layers. It has been fine for many simple tasks, but for anything that's more complex than a Lemmy shitpost, it's been rough for that reason alone