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The peaceful transfer of power to fascists
The peaceful transfer of power to fascists
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The people have spoken. The last duty of the outgoing administration is the orderly hand-off to the incoming admin.
What about this is hard to understand? They're doing what we ask of them; even if you, me and they fear the next 2 years and then 2 more.
But I suspect this is just trolling.
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They're doing what
we ask of themthe people they talk to expect from them.I asked for nothing. I wanted Bernie or just anyone with a moral backbone. The howling of the people remained unheard
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No, Biden has a duty to protect the constitution, so letting the fascists take over is a dereliction of duty.
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It's a fine line to tread. Biden and Harris have a Constitutional duty to step aside on January 20, and let Trump and Vance take over, but there's no duty to acquiesce so quietly and cooperatively. They could be leading pro-civil rights rallies and delivering speeches on national TV, but of course, if they did they wouldn't be Biden and Harris.
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peoplemoneyed interests in charge of a deeply unrepresentative system have spokenFixed that for you. If not for several kinds of voter suppression and the Dem leadership being deaf to the left two thirds of the base, the GOP would have become permanently uncompetitive to the point of irrelevance DECADES ago.
What about this is hard to understand? They're doing what we ask of them
False, see above. The US is one of the LEAST representative "democracies" in the world even when you DON'T count legal corruption as corruption.
But I suspect this is just trolling.
BIG "criticizing Biden means you love Trump" energy 🙄
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They are trolling, yes. Part of their campaign message was also quite clear about simply not being Trump
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They will be fine. With their millions of dollars, book sales, philanthropic foundations, speech engagements, fundraising… The changing of the guard doesn’t mean shit to them except they’re not on the government dime anymore.
The rest of the (sane) country? Watching them row away from the Titanic in a half-empty lifeboat.
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Exactly.
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They’ll do even better because they can cynically fundraise off it. Almost like they lose on purpose and all their bleating about saving democracy is not to be taken seriously when they had four fucking years to try trump for j6 but slow walked it instead.
Just like they shouldn’t be taken seriously for protecting abortion rights when they had fifty fucking years to codify roe v Wade.
Or how they shouldn’t be taken seriously regarding healthcare when it was one of their own senators (there’s always a patsy) tanked single payer healthcare.
Same with raising the minimum wage. There’s always a patsy willing to play ball for the donor class.
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What are they supposed to do?
The majority voted for Trump. What more is there to discuss?
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The majority didn't vote at all.
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Like in the Trolley problem, not making a choice is itself a choice.
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They could at least stand behind the messaging from the campaign.
If you call someone a dangerous threat to democracy for a year, and then when they get elected you wish them well and act civil, it really undermines your point about the whole threat to democracy thing.
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Exactly. I believe Trump truly is an existential threat to the world and American democracy. To Biden and Harris, it was just campaign jargon.
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They are a threat because they will do what you want Biden to do.
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yeah this stuff is so rediculous. What if they had warned? then the meme would go to the next goalpost or whatever.
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A PLURALITY voted for Trump, NOT a majority. Don't help them with their propaganda
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Was it truly majority? And is it 100% certain there was no fraud?
I heard in finland's news there was somekind of arson attack at some point which destroyed bunch of votes, while the elections were still going but i have no idea how much. I dont think they would fabricate such news.
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Good thing we didn't vote! We might have changed this!
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If enough people voted, the Democrats would have given people free health care, stopped financing wars, torture and genocide, close Guantanamo, improve public transit, boost public education, and lowered the cost of groceries. If only enough people voted for the Democrats, they could be in power and bring change. Of course!
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It was going this way no matter what and the only question was how soon based on the voting choices we're allowed to have.
People not voting is a symptom of the inherent contradictions of our system and we're ignoring this and other symptoms because they seem fixable; they're not but we're going to try anyways because we don't know better and we don't know better because we're told that we have the best system our entire lives.
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I mean Americans oversaw the transfer of power to fascists.
Sure Biden/Kamala should be issuing a warning, although they already have, many times. But the situation we find ourselves in is squarely on Americans.
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Yeah, this post has big "third party voter" energy.
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No American alive today had a say in the electoral college, yet it gave Bush Jr. and Donald Trump presidential powers despite the masses being against them. Americans weren’t in charge of the completely farcical 2000 election, Jeb Bush was. This time around, sure. The people have chosen this. Only after decades of witnessing how little representation they truly have.
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If you haven’t heard of the brooks brothers riot look it up. A who’s who of Republican operatives who were handsomely rewarded after succeeding in the 2000 coup.
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They held a vote over if you wanted them to do something, and democrat voters stayed home while republicans showed up. We have literally no one to blame but ourselves. Vote if you get another chance, fight for that chance if you don't.
Edit: Please don't respond with your pathetic excuses for supporting fascism, I'm not reading them. I don't care how you justified it.
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False. The democrats ran a terrible campaign. Biden refused to step down, until it was too late to primary. They forced a candidate upon the country without a democratic process. Their campaign had terrible messaging and was tone deaf to the real situation the working class faces. They were unable to convince millions of voters that showed out for them last time to show up again. The democrats are more concerned with protecting their donors than they are protecting the working class and winning. Until you and everyone else oblivious can come to grips with this, nothing will change.
And before you say anything stupid, I voted for her.
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OP isn't wrong and neither are you. Democrats didn't show up, republicans did that is why Harris lost.
But Harris lost because of everything you wrote as well.
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Don't forget the last 4 years of failing to deliver any meaningful improvements for the people who voted in 2020 or even stopping republicans from banning abortion. Also a year and a half of facilitating genocide while encouraging universities to beat the shit out of the very same politically-active students who would otherwise be campaigning for the democrats.
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Democrats could of stopped arming Israel but nooooo rather lose an election to fascists
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Poor Biden and Harris right? They did their bestest but if the people dont like them then maybe they just won't talk to them anymore. Good thing we have some adults in the room.
Guess who made an absurd amount of money losing the election? Do people not realize what donations are spent on?
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Oh boy, now you're gonna get all the "no, it's Democrats' fault that I didn't vote!" people desperately trying to assuage the guilt they're feeling for the idiotic decision that they made in the face of countless people pleading with them not to.
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I voted for Kamala. The blame is 100% on her and the Democrats for losing. Let's forget policy entirely and look at their strategic choices. They didn't hold a primary despite 60% of their own voters wanting a different candidate. They hid signs of Biden's cognitive decline until they were too public to ignore. When it was clear he could not win, they appointed a successor who failed to win a single state in 2020. She then went on to hire the same people who lost to Trump in 2016, and they lost again by running the same strategy of, "court disaffected Republicans," which failed n 2016.
It is the job of a political party to get people to vote for their candidate. The party failed to do this through spectacular incompetence. They are the only people who should feel guilty.
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This is a real "whatever you need to say to make yourself feel better". Somehow everyone is compelled to vote for politicians who are complicit in a genocide, but not to vote for anyone else - by the overwhelming argument of "it's what a lot of people voted for last time so we have to keep doing it".
And it's not the fault of the people who voted for the fascist that you're focused on - or your own fault for voting for someone who's also a fascist, but more subtle about it - no, it's only the people who didn't vote for any kind of fascist, who are at fault for the fascist being elected. I'm sure you think this logic is completely sane and not just the entire reason we have bipartisan fascism and support for genocide in the U.S., not to even get into the global empire.
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lololol i have zero guilt over 3rd party vote. harris failed to do her job and present a case that would have made her an appealing candidate and therefor lost to fucking trump, who would have lost to a wet sandwich. Thats 100% entirely harris' fault for the campaign she ran which was built on 'not trump, not going to do shit for working class, oh and fuck arab americans genocide is a okay'
Im going to enjoy every minute of this cycle watching tears from a party that has been fucking over americans for my entire life and gaslighting them about it.
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Netanyahu started a war with Palestine to get liberals pissed off at Democrats who basically have their hands tied due to the Jewish relationship with Dems and Israel being tied to our national security.
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hands were not tied. thats a myth. the jewish community itself was divided over gaza. they would not have lost enough votes from the zionists for it to matter if harris bothered promise upholding existing american laws. meanwhile they lost critical demographics in key in two swing states that did cost them those states while simultaneously showing every minority group in the nation that they're willing to toss any of them under the bus.
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The fuck are they supposed to do!? We as Americans voted Trump or didn't vote at all. Therefore, the fascists won.
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Remember, the Democrats aren't allowed to call the Republicans fascists. It might hurt their feelings, and the Dem's corporate masters don't want any Republicans to have their feelings hurt. That's why "weird" got tossed to the wayside despite being effective, that's why Biden was chastised for calling Trump garbage, and that's why even though Trump was "an enormous threat to our democracy," the Dems refused to call a spade a spade. Meanwhile, Republicans are allowed to scrape the shit from their ass and sling it wherever they want.
What did you really expect the controlled opposition to do? Give a rousing speech about the tough times ahead? Inspire worker solidarity? The DNC is the poster child for corrupt old boomers, they do not give a fuck. They made millions of dollars off this election and will see zero consequence.
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What I expect from Democrats in power is spinelessness and acquiescence, and they almost always deliver.
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And yet, you all would vote for them in the blink of an eye again if the opportunity presented itself
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Well, sure. You're either with Team D or you're with The Terrorists.
All we can do is vote for Dems. And when we do vote for Dems, all we can do is vote for the least offensive-to-conservatives Dems, in hopes that Liz Cheney can break away enough angry racist Memaws and Pep Peps to swing the election.
And when that fails, all we can do is blame those damned leftists for parading around with their stupid little "Stop Doing Genocide In Gaza" placards, because that's obviously the reason Donald Trump is president.
Then we need to organize and unionize and agitate and protest for a few weeks in January when its the least influential or effective. After which we need to be reasonable and serious about compromising with the moderate wing of fascism again.
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Hey, don't fucking lump me in with those assholes. I've been calling out the Blue MAGA bullshit from the second .world started pushing it.
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Don't blame them, blame the people who didn't vote
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But also blame the DNC for running a de-energizing campaign yet again.
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Maybe the fact that people need to be "energized" in order to fucking vote is the problem?
Like I'm sorry, but "you just didn't energize me enough" is not a valid excuse for anyone not to vote, ever. Just goes to show the depth of the average American voter. Just completely devoid of critical thought.
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Let's blame everyone for everything they did wrong. Blaming people who did nothing before you blame the actual Trump voters is literally insane.
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No, blame Biden and his stupid arrogance.
The man knows his brain is melting AND he knows his presidency is unpopular, but sure, he's going to waste months of campaign time and tens of millions of dollars, and then, to make it even better, he's going to make sure no one in the Democratic Party tries to react to it like a reasonable person and politician.
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Yeah Trump won the election. That is how democracy works.
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Reporter: "Would you ceded the election if you lose?"
Trump: "If it's a fair election."
The reds prepped for MONTHS if not longer to fight democracy if Trump lost. They had loads of active cases up until the election on loads of bullshit interference. Which all promptly disappeared when Trump won.
Democracy isn't the issue. It's the corruption of these rich assholes.
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Also that they act in lock step, dissidents will be rooted out. So they become a (seemingly) united front, which helps immensely at systematically eroding democratic institutions or destroying political enemies
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If the US had Defensive Democracy, then maybe they could do something.
But instead, we have whoever wins (aka: gets the most rich doners) gets to become president, even if they want to violate the very oath they are about to take.
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Which means that the only thing that can stop the orange idiot is one high ranking military officer having the courage to arrest him as a domestic threat to America. Although that would come with its own set of problems. In other words, we're fucked.
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That would be considered an illegal coup, however ethical that act might be, it wont be legal, and thus nobody would do it. So yes indeed, we're fucked.
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Idi Amin now available in a gas station near you
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People who hate democrats calling for the democrats to overthrow the US government to save them after voting third party. Lol.
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after
voting third partyafter not bothering to vote at all.
Edit: You can downvote if you like, but 88 million Americans sat on their arses instead of going out to prevent this shit show. That's 11 million more than voted for either candidate.
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It's always the same tune with these "folks".
They shoot themselves in the foot and go online to lament about how they're oppressed now and it's gotta be someone else's fault.
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It's honestly embarrassing and makes the left look bad.
And I'm sure someone will come in here to tell me that I'm a "shitlib" or something and not a leftist, because I don't pass their horseshit purity test.
This is why the left can never do shit. Nobody else is the "correct" kind of left in their mind, and therefore they refuse to even deal with them, let alone attempt to form any kind of coalition. It's so fucking cringe to anybody who lives in the real world.
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By these "folks"... You're talking about genocide joe and kamalacaust, right?
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Didn't Eisenhower or some president warn about the dangers of the burgeoning military indistrial complex in his farewell address?
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And Eisenhower is remembered for it, respected for it, 60+ years later.
Biden and Harris will say nothing.
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They spent their admin continuing many of Trump’s worst policies. Even put his deportation and fossil fuel extraction numbers to shame.
They’re not worried about it.
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Statement of caution? Americans are about to get what they asked for and if I was Biden, I’d steal half the shit on my way out and pardon all my family and friends. It’s clear that those are the rules now, so may as well take advantage of it before giving up the presidency. But American voters and those who stayed home can fuck right off and enjoy the next 4 years and keep their mouth shut.
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Yeah, it sucks, but no one got out and fucking voted. Also, it's fucking Joe's fault. It is 1000% Joe's fault. He should have stepped down before the primary.
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It's the fault of the people who didn't vote.
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Yeah, so how do you get them to?
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It's more than nothing.
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Just wanted to point out that the opposite of your prediction happened:
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They're giving us a very quiet "then perish" right now.
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Civility is the highest liberal virtue.
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Either it's civility, or it's compromise and reaching across the aisle, but of course even compromise must always be done with great civility.
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What do you want them to do? Barricade themselves in the Oval Office and go out in a blaze of glory?
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Maybe arrest the criminal that was literally about to be sentenced?
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Maybe not invite the dude over for cookies and tea.
Politicians are all on the same team against humanity.
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Yes
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This is the only alternative you can envision? Either Biden and Harris say nothing, as they've done since the election, or they go full Rambo in the White House?
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They either didn't believe the things they were saying or they don't care.
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Biden will expire before anything affects him and Kamala is rich enough to be unaffected. Of course they don't care.
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Or both.
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Because they didn't achieve them? ...isn't that exactly like you, though?
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In speech this week, Biden boasted about making the US so much stronger militarily that sets up Trump for "success".
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In another speech, or maybe the same one, he patted himself on the back for leaving Trump the strongest economy evah!
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Yea man, instead of just handing over the keys to the fascists they should be doing something, like creating angsty memes!
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That would be exponentially more than they've done.
You're content with their silence and acquiescence instead.
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The peaceful transfer of power to fascists from fascists
Lets be real. This wouldn't have happened if the dems weren't also genocidal trash.
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These people had no problem actively facilitating a genoside; what's a little fascism on top of that?
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I'm pretty sure they spent over a year campaigning against it and lost by a lot. What else is there to say? I don't blame them...
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Carrying the world's biggest bully pulpit, Biden/Harris virtually never used it. Even their campaigning against Trump was always muted, soft-spoken. Kamala Harris said once, during her campaign, that Trump fit the definition of a fascist. Once.
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If I were them I wouldn't exactly have a strong emotional desire to protect the people who voted for a fascist felon over them.
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I'm guessing you call yourself a leftist.
What did you say to the public? How far did your candidate get? How much organizing did you do?
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It's just more tankie/maga sea-lioning. They frame the situation as though Dems should seize power to avoid Republicans from seizing power, lol wut
The Dem leadership needs to be removed, but this "both sides" rhetoric is lazy and just further drives people to apathy, giving maga room to do their work.
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Or they could've prosecuted Trump when they had the chance instead of making Garland the attorney general (supposedly to stick it to republicans for not confirming Obama's nomination of this worthless milquetoast clown as a supreme court judge, where he probably would have sided with the conservative judges way too many times anyway) where he stood around with his dick in his hand for four years. If democrats are really as scared of fascism as they claim, then they should be pulling out all the stops, but instead it's business as usual.
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Plenty of leftists actually do spend their lives organizing and doing work within their communities. We ultimately believe that electoral democracy is not democracy so we don't have candidates. The cash of corporations is worth far more to any representatives than any vote, winning or otherwise. I'd rather put my effort into creating real safety nets that I know I can actually rely on than the thoughts and prayers of war mongerers.
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