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Biden shares many of my values and goals, but because he isn't perfectly aligned with my values and goals, I'm voting Trump, a man that shares NONE of my values and goals, as a protest. What could go wrong?
- Biden does not share my view that genocide is bad. If you want to vote for genocide guy because orange man bad, you are devoid of morals. You are a spineless worm, deserving only scorn and derision.
  
  You somehow think "orange man" would be less into genocide? Genuinely? How???
  
  Biden does not share my view that genocide is bad
  And Trump does?
  lol
  lmao
- Jfc nobody said to vote for trump.
  
  It's sarcasm. And voting for a minor party candidate is a vote for Republicans.
  
  Realistically what do you hope to accomplish by voting for someone else or not voting?
- Democracy works by criticizing your elected officials until they make necessary changes. People NEED to be putting Biden's feet to the fire to end the genocide in Palestine. Just because Trump would be worse doesn't make what Biden is doing ok. Criticism of one isn't an endorsement of the other. And Biden NEEDS the votes of everyone criticizing his response to the genocide. Instead of harassing people trying to end genocide, you should be asking why Biden supports genocide more than the young voters who he needs to win in November.
  
  The meme implies protest at the polls. Their comment is reflective of that sentiment. Criticize and protest US support of Israel independent of casting your vote in rebellion. The point stands that Trump encourages eradication of the Palestinians and Ukrainians, while oppressing working class Americans and repealing climate change progress.
- I'm trying to think what values biden actually shares with me.
  
  He passed the IRA, rejoined the Paris Agreement, repealed the transgender ban in the military, restored net neutrality, defended the use of mifepristone, supported Ukraine, and relieved some student debt. That's enough to earn my vote.
  
  same. Biden has never stood for anything but the worst possible things atcany point in time. Pro segregation, pro imperialism, extreme zionist, architect of the modern Jim Crow, major facilitator of the Iraq War, bagman for the banking industry. And the extreme sexism with which he treated Anita Hill is just icing on the cake for what a shitbag Biden has always been. I can't imagine thinking "he shares some of my values and goals." He's literally one of the worst, and certainly one of the individuals most responsible for how bad the world is
  (as much as an individual can be responsible obviously another ghoul would have done the same things etc.)
  
  Just out here telling on yourself, huh?
  
  uhh he rides trains sometimes? can we ban him from trains? I feel gross taking trains a genocidier rode.
- What values and goals does Biden share with Leftists, other than not being as far-right as the Republicans?
  Who said anything about voting for Trump? I myself am voting Biden most likely because he isn't as bad as Trump, but I share practically nothing with his views.
  What person is criticizing Biden from the left but actually voting for Trump, other than the strawman you created?
  
  Supporting of unions is a pretty big thing biden supports that leftists also support, nevermind his views and actions on climate change and bodily autonomy.
  Your comment is wildly reductionist and supremely ignorant.
- He's a fucking dixiecrat
- What values and goals could anyone possibly share with Biden? You're pro-modern Jim Crow? Pro-imperial hegemony? Pro-genocide? Pro-banks keeping peoole un debt forever? That's all he's ever stood for
- just because trump would be worse, doesnt mean biden isnt really bad
  
  Biden isn't in charge of Israel.
- false dichotomy
  
  Denial.
  
  Unfortunately, it's a very real dichotomy
- Such a low bar. No wonder your country is crumbling.
  
  Sarcasm. I'm making fun of people.
- Well you are a fucking idiot who doesn't understand what a vote is.
  A+ genocide shilling here.

Correction: "I'm voting for Biden to make sure the things that are happening right now continue to get slowly better, instead of getting immediately and significantly worse."
- Can't recall there being an active genocide going on with the full throated support of the US government when Biden got into office.
  
  I think most reasonable accounts of the violence at the southern border (which has escalated again under Biden) would be considered a genocide
  
  I mean there was it was just not noticed by liberals
  
  Are you trying to suggest trump will be better in that regard?
  
  when hasn't the USG been supporting a genocide or three?
- continue to get slowly better
  lol looking at the last couple weeks all I see is a crackdown on supposed "open society" in order to combat anti-zionism while the war machine rattles on abroad.
  
  Look at that! Hexbearian whataboutism! Never seen that one before /s
  
  This is like claiming global warming isn't real because it still snows sometimes.
- The things that are happening right now are happening under biden though... why do you think it would get better when he has initiated the worsening?
  I guess I should clarify that I'm not naive enough to think that this all started under Biden because history has inertia. Biden, having been VP before president and a Senator for many years before that certainly had an outsized contribution to the things that are happening now. The things that are in motion now are not going to be solved by Biden or Trump or really any of the entrenched political class in the west and pretending they are is just fooling yourself. They are too ideologically poisoned and are busy self destructing.
  
  Show these people a picture of border patrol on horseback whipping black migrants and 99% they'll tell you it was under trump
  There's no way to hold their beliefs without being divorced from reality
- That's what they said back in '96 when I voted for Ralph Nader. Now we're on the precipice of American democracy falling to fascism, if not now, then very likely in 2028. That doesn't look to me anything like slowly getting better.
  Some things have definitely improved in that time, e.g. the recognition of same-sex marriage, or the nascent resurgence of labor unions. Those things have been the result of slow, tough, hard work by the grassroots.
  In that same time, though, the Democrats have been slowly helping to put the mechanisms of a fascist state in place, like the PATRIOT ACT, FISA, neutering the 4th Amendment, bolstering the Espionage Act, and setting up collaborative efforts between state police, Federal agencies, and the corporate sector to crush protest movements.
  That said, the world is indeed shades of grey, and I voted for Biden in 2020 to stay fascism, if only for a little bit. It's better to vote for the right-wing candidate versus the fascist candidate. I want to vote for him again, but there are some lines that must never be crossed, and I can't in good conscience vote for a President enabling genocide. (The fact that both candidates do is madness.)
  Maybe my calculus would be different if there were a reasonable chance that Democrats would do the things that are within their power to do to check the rise of fascism, but I have no confidence of that, as the track record shows otherwise.
  Edit: Auto-correct damage.
  
  Hey! So I know you are getting people being snarky and whatnot, but I have a legitimate question.
  Could you address the question regarding how the Democrats are at least the party that are at least making slow progress, as opposed to not voting against the party that will turn the country into a Christian theocracy if given the chance?
  Like I understand that you don't like either candidate - neither do we - but realistically, we know the winner will be either a Republican or a Democrat. Why not support the one that at least won't regress the country 500 years?
- Biden is slowly worse, Trump is quickly worse. Liberalism is not about moving leftward, it's about continuing Capitalist hedgemony.
  
  Slowly worse is still better than quickly worse, as that means there's more time to find a better solution.
  
  where's that evergreen ratchet meme
- stabbing the blood back in
- Lol things have not gotten slowly better through voting ever or have you somehow missed the last 100 years?
  
  Their username can answer this question
  
  End of segregation. Interracial marriage legalized. Voting rights for native americans. LGBT rights...
  Nope, no progress there.
  
  Have you?
  
  terrifying comment
- So why hasn't he made anything get better during the three years he's been in office so far? If anything things have gotten worse.
  
  That's hilarious and of course it's hexbear
  
  The IRA act turbocharged private renewable energy investment. I saw multiple local projects that were already underway expand their scope immediately after the legislation was passed because the legislation made renewable energy far cheaper to build.
  The new SAVE repayment plan for student loans allows families to pay significantly less on their student loans (I currently have a $0 payment with no interest gain on my 8k of student debt thanks to this plan, plus after 10 years of making my $0 payments any remaining balance will be forgiven)

I'm voting for Biden because I don't want Trump picking the next couple Supreme Court justices.
- Not only could he pick the next ones, he would have the power to expand the Supreme Court. Imagine a SCOTUS that isn't just filled with Federalist Society goons but his own special brand of Conservative from places like the Fifth Circuit in Texas.
  
  Instead, we’re going to elect democrats who won’t do anything for however many decades it takes for the current conservative justices to get old and then, when the time is right, they’ll show their cunning strategy for saving the court: Putting forward a slightly less conservative justice that they won’t even fight for enough to push past republican objections.
  Meanwhile: We’re drowning!
  
  Pardon my ignorance as a non-American, but weren’t there rumblings of Biden being able to do the same, back around the time of the RBG debacle?
- this vould almost be a valid single issue to single-issue-vote at this point. the supreme court has been aging incredibly poorly and the republican candidate is running a platform to make it worse.
  but im seeing so many comments (edit: including OP and the admin of a very popular instance?) who are down to abstain the vote, ignoring this AND all the other oppression that another maga win would be about, because we have let the “both sides are bad and voting is a blood pact” propoganda take over for the past decade.
  both sides are not equally bad and voting is not a blood pact.

He's desperately trying to stop things, but he is completely powerless and that's not his fault, but also he has actually gotten tons of great stuff done and you're just ignoring it, and you should ignore the bad stuff he's done because his opponent will do worse, but most importantly any good stuff he hasn't done was impossible for him to get done, and that's why you should vote for him
- Joe Biden, the most powerful person in the world, is completely powerless and it's not his fault. Meanwhile if Trump is elected it's the end of American democracy.
  
  this makes so much sense!!!1!!11!!!
  
  Yeah, because one follows the law and the constitution (to at least some degree) and one doesn't. It's really that simple
- Personally, I hear you, but his denial about the campus protests is definitely gonna make things worse for garnering the young vote.
  
  No, you don't hear them. They, and OP are mocking libs telling people to vote for a candidate who demonstrates over and over that they do not want the things we want, and will either not stop or help republicans do the things they want.
  It's kind of sad, they understand the democrats do not want the things they want, so they cannot influence them into doing the things that will win the election, so all they can do is tell people not to believe their lying eyes.
- He's desperately trying to stop things
  he's literally sending israel more bombs for their genocide
  you should ignore the bad stuff he's done
  you absolutely should not write him a blank check to commit more atrocities
  his opponent will do worse
  and you and your fellow democratic voters will continue to stand by and watch it happen, right?
  
  I’m pretty sure @aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social was being ironic there
  
  they're lampooning liberals' circular reasoning

It's not funny anymore. Stop voting for Trump ironically.
Just.... Stop. Please.
- Who is ironically voting for Trump?
  
  There were people when Trump was running who told me they would vote for Trump strictly because fuck the system

Realistically, what are you gonna do? The time for another candidate came and went, so all intents and purposes you've got either Biden or Trump.
Refusing to vote en-masse to stick it to the DNC sounds great, but is it worth giving Trump the keys to the castle?
The guy who's repeatedly given open support towards Israel "war", told them they should "get the job done" - hell his only condemnation towards them is the fact Israel recorded any of it.
Trump being in would only change things for the worse, and that's just with Gaza - I'd argue the status quo is better than the alternative.
Though it's fucked we ended up in this situation in the first place.
- I know trump would be worse, but this post is just expounding on how shitty biden still is. Being 5% better than trump isn't good and he knows he could be better but he's not.
  
  5%? Who hurt you? It’s way more than that. More like 95%.
  You have a literal elderly criminal idiot vs a seasoned politician elderly idiot who won’t fuck the country over like DJT did.
  But then again I have been on 5 continents and know for a fact Americans are the dumbest people when it comes to having coherent awareness of their situation.
  
  What a novel and salient point, you should keep making it every day until the election.
  As we know the president is responsible for everything and Congress and state government don't matter at all.
  Disclaimer: this post is sarcasm.
- You flip the monopoly board.
  That's what you do.
  
  And how many lives are you willing to spend to do that?

I'm voting for Trump because I have no concept of mitigating damage.
- He sure does know how to increase entropy fast(er)

Imagine wanting the guy who said he thinks Israel should finish the job as long as they don’t record it, repealed 111 climate policies in one term, and gave massive tax breaks for the rich at the cost of workers, all while installing the most oppressive conservatives we’ve had to the Supreme Court, because you think “he’ll be different this time.”
It sounds like our nation is experiencing battered woman syndrome.
- Nobody said that
  
  Unfortunately, the polls do. I understand his loyal base not budging, but plenty of people are under the impression that abstaining or voting third-party in November will do anything but get Trump back in the White House.

Too make sure it doesn't get worse faster

The entire system is fucked and first past the post needs to go away at all levels.

I'm voting for biden so that the Ukraine money drain gets more money to drain

I will never vote for Joe Biden again.
- I'd like to ask why, but I'm not sure I want the answer.
  
  Idiot
  Fascist idiot
  Bot
  I'd bet money it's one of these three.
  
  Biden is the architect over 52 years in politics of an astounding number of this nations problems and many that affect me personally. He was a bridge too far in 2012 after I learned he wasnt just Obamas weird acting old guy vp.
  I can’t comprehend how anyone was able to vote for him in 2020 and it’s deeply disturbing that anyone would support him now.
- feelin mighty happy I voted for Gloria La Riva

Voting is about picking your opponents, not your teammates.
- That is very sad
  
  Is it?
  I figure it’s just how democracy has to work. Governance is too complicated to just set it and forget it every 2-4 years.
  Even if you somehow elect an ideal candidate, you’re still going to disagree at some point during their term.
  There are plenty of no-win scenarios, opportunities to trade a short-term loss for a long-term win, etc. where you might agree on goals but not tactics and you end up having to petition/protest them.
  And that’s in the ideal case.
  You might as well assume that whoever ends up in The Room Where It Happens, they’re going to sit down on the opposite side of the table from you — not next to you.
  I guess that’s kinda cynical, but I really don’t mean it to be. I think it’s just a more healthy way to frame participatory democracy. Your job is not done at the ballot box. That’s just to set the parameters for the real work.

Of all the strawmen that bear no resemblance to the the real thing people are saying this is a big strawman one

Im voting for him because he is the best president of my lifetime with the possible exception of carter.
- As a person Carter will be hard as hell to beat...
  
  hes the closest thing to mister rogers as president.
- I'm curious what you think makes him better than Obama?
  
  Obama got almost nothing done in his first term mainly do to trying to work across the isle. Biden was not shackled with this given how clearly republicans have made it that they are not going to work in good faith at all.

So much reasonable discourse in these comments.
- Define reasonable discourse
  
  Reasonable discourse is when you vote blue no matter who and support genocide sweaty
  
  Reasonable discourse is when everyone agrees with me
  
  That's what I named my Glock
  
  To Democrats it means refusing to say "third party vote" in favor of terms like "spoiler" or "protest vote" while claiming voting for Trump is a mainline leftist position, then yelling "nuhuh trump lover" if you point out its false.
  
  you just did
- fr. fucking shitlibs acting like biden has done anything good or productive
- Welcome to another Hexbear brigade thread...

Jesus Christ we're getting Trump as president.
Nice knowing y'all.

Agreed. Better to let Trump win. Things will get much better under him.
- I'm not voting for someone who supports a genocide
  
  Then you're voting in favor of someone who will support it more. There's exactly two possibilities this election cycle, barring any issues with mortality, and both of them support this genocide. When you get to your polling place, you should think about which option will be the most likely to lead to the best outcome. Obviously a third party would be the absolute best outcome, but it's also the absolute least likely possibility. The only options that are likely are biden, who will maintain the current genocide, or trump, who will expand the current genocide, and also make your and your countrymen's lives materially worse as well.
  A lottery ticket is arguably the best possible way to spend your money, because you can turn $2 into a million. But you get that spending all of your income on lottery tickets is stupid, right? I hope I don't have to explain this analogy any further
  
  IDK how you got more downvotes than Trump, only answer is bots trying to get votes for military industrial complex man
- A third party could win if we all got together and voted for them
  
  Yeah, and I’ll win the big jackpot in the lottery tomorrow.
  That’ll happen.
  
  Are... Are you arguing with yourself?
  
  Yeah, and I could be invisible if only all the photons bouncing off my body got together and agreed not to go into anyone's eyes, but that ain't happening anytime soon
  
  No! The Constitution says that it must be the Federalist Party vs. the Democratic-Republican Party, period. /s

the genocide?
it's already happening...
- Wow lemmy getting brigaded by military industrial complex bots? (The downvotes)

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