I could make a great PC for that...

I could buy a steam deck and a shitload of games on sale for that
- That’s what I did when my PC died and I’d do it again given the choice

The last straw with consoles for me was when they all started charging money regularly just to play online multiplayer games.
My Steam Deck makes for a better console-like experience than any of the major consoles, and more. I have zero interest in going back to Sony or especially Nintendo's scams.
- It blows my mind that the greatest trick Valve ever pulled was releasing a console that relies solely on backwards compatibility. There are zero games released for the steam deck.
  
  To be fair, there was 1 game released directly for the Steam Deck; Aperture Desk Job.
  
  Not only that, the Steam Deck actually has worse compatibility compared to a normal Windows PC, but the PC library is so extensive (and has so many emulators) that it doesn't matter. You still have access to more games than anyone on a normal console ever could, and you can play most singleplayer console games for free. I played Mario Odyssey all the way through on my PC and it ran great.
- I really wish they would release a new Steam Controller with the Deck's inputs.
  
  Same, tired of replacing the bumpers on my Xbox controllers, and want the extensibility I've seen with the decks controller layout.
  
  I don't, to be perfectly honest the builtin controls are the only part I don't like. Too heavy, too bulky, terrible dpad, and for me it's so uncomfortable to use the LR bumpers that I almost always remap them to the back paddles.
- I'd happily pay for Steam because it provides a good service. Meanwhile, PSN and Nintendo Switch Online suck and are expensive (PSN is 70€ per year lmao).
  
  Nah I’m not paying for steam either, they make enough money from game sales without double dipping
- I don't even play online. I'm just there for the monthly games.

They could have given us full backwards compatibility for that.
- It would be an instant buy for me if it has full backwards compatibility, and I'd let them tack on another hundo for psp/vita games. That's basically what my Steam deck is. Every console emulated and PC games.

I love how Sony learned nothing from the PS3 launch price.
- The launch PS3 was arguably Sony’s last great console (namely hardware backwards compatibility); I choose to die on this hill. 🫡
  
  This bad boy can run so many PS2 games
  
  And XMB was their last good interface design. Each one since just gets progressively more wtf.
  
  Miss using it as a SACD player. Tough to find one now that isn’t insanely priced.
  
  I can confirm, PS2 emulation works mostly flawless on my CFW PS3 without native backwards compatibility. There is absolutely no point in buying an older energy-hungry hot-running PS3.
  
  The PS3, be it the early PHATs or even the super slims were technically amazing machines but, at least in the beginning, they still were way to expensive for the reduced quality in most cross party titles compared to the 360. Was probably a no-brainer upgrade though, if you could sell your PS2 to replace it with a brand spanking new PS3 without losing access to your games.
  Also, the amazing first party titles Sony put out over the years (that actually took advantage of the PS3's over-designed processor) make it worth buying even today, as you can get it for less than 50€ in good condition and it's easily jailbreakable.
  Just maybe don't sell your first born for one that is backward compatible with PS2 today. Just buy a used PS2 as well (most of them are jailbreakable just as easily) or just emulate it.
- FOVE HUNDRED NINETY NINE US DOLLARS
- You didn't need a subscription to play games online.

Personally I decided about 6 years ago that I wouldn't buy another non-portable game console.
At this stage I just don't see any reason to drop $600+ on a console when I could put that $600~ towards upgrading my PC and get vastly more value for my money.
So as far as I'm concerned, the only consoles worth looking at at all right now at the Nintendo Switch, which I have and love, and the Steam Deck, which would offer me my PC gaming experience with something it lacks: portability.
Aside from that, I personally couldn't give 2 shits what's happening in the world of XBox or Playstation these days.
- My Steam Deck has been my primary gaming device for about 2 years now. I absolutely love it. I’ve put a lot of my switch games on it for the convenience. I love my OLED switch though and I wish I had the OLED deck.
  Still, it’s amazing enough that everything else I have is collecting dust. Been going through all the MegaMan games recently. I’m on 8 at the moment, the only one I never played in the main series.
  
  I love MM8. Definitely feels a bit like the black sheep of the bunch but I think it's awesome. Plays a little slow compared to some of the others to me, but I like a lot of the ideas there
- Plus us patient gamers can enjoy those PS "exclusives" when they release on PC.
  
  Yeah exactly. Crazy thing is a good game is just as good 3, 4 years later as it is on release day. What a novel idea, right?

Why would you need 3 switches when you could get a 1.5km line of loafs of bread with that money?
- Do you get cheaper bread meters going for the cheaper mass produced loaves or by going for the longer length but more artisan breads like baguettes? Or maybe bread sticks?
  Also, does anyone make linked bread (like sausages), to increase the speed one can deploy it in a straight line?
  
  Im pretty sure the extra lenght of baguettes is not enough to justify paying the extra price for them
  To solve the time problem of placing all the bread in a line, you could try to start a cult. It takes a while to set up, but will save you time(and money) in the long run
- Found the eastern European! /s
  
  I am not eastern European, i am southeastern European

Honestly, Sony really sees itself as a premium(ish) brand that puts a heavy emphasis on novelty with a bit of sophistication thrown in. They also see Nintendo as a kid's toy company. So, the expense (and some of the scarcity) is entirely the point.

... can you actually make a PC with comparable performance these days? What does a console-level GPU cost these days?
- You have to consider the versatility of a pc to truly compare them. The pc will have better alternative uses like web browsing, the pc is very easy and fairly cheap to increase storage, you may be able to upgrade just some RAM or GPU to keep up rather than buying a new console. You'll also have access to more games and more modding opourtunities. You can still use a controller on pc although you are often at a disadvantage in most FPS style games.
  If you just want to game a console may be better or easier but overall a pc is usually the better investment in the long run.
  
  You can still use a controller on pc although you are often at a disadvantage in most FPS style games.
  The opposite is true these days. Many of the most popular FPS games like Call of Duty provide ~~aimbot~~ aim assist for controller players. So even PC players use controllers to get the aim assist, which puts them at a huge advantage over MnK players in close and mid range engagements.
  
  Many people already have a laptop and want to build a PC specifically for gaming, though. Upgrading isn't all it's cracked up to be IMO, it's definitely nice to have but a console lasts the entire console generation (5 years give or take?) if you ignore then mid-gen upgrade which is usually entirely optional.
- If you game online that'll also be an extra $400+ over the life span of console. So the real question is can you build a PC for $1100+
  
  Also the controllers break constantly and Sony just raised the price on those.
- I checked Amazon a 3060 runs for under $300. A 3060 crushes any console:X
  
  All on its own?
  
  It's out of stock now, but I did see a 4070 for 299 a few days ago. I should have bought it, but if I did, I would not have been able to pay some bills.
- Absolutely
- No, before the insane jump in GPU prices you could get in the ballpark, not anymore.
  It's hard to properly compare these two, because they are very different design philosophies. It's like trying to compare a single blade knife to a multi-tool.

Genuine question, could you make a PC that can perform as well as the PS5 Pro for $700?
I’ve built many computers for work over the years, but never my own gaming PC. I’m starting to plan one and I have no idea what I do and do not need, performance-wise. Like, I know I don’t need a 4090, but how cheap is too cheap to get good performance?
- I think someone just did it in this thread, but something else to consider is that a PC usually enables you to buy games much more cheaply, multiplayer is not behind a subscription, the catalogue is basically infinite and it also enables so many other activities than just gaming.
- Its about price to performance value. With same value you can build an equivalent PC. Which won't be banned and turned into a brick on their own whim. Many users very unjustly banned and were not able to connect to internet and game online. For the same price you could do more to with PC. Pros out weighs the cons
  
  I want to see this equivalent PC. (A BOM would do.) Because I highly doubt someone can source the parts for this cheap.
- If you're willing to buy at least some PC parts used (like the GPU and maybe CPU) you could probably build a very competitive machine for the same price. Maybe even something better. With new parts probably not yet, necessarily. But of course, that depends a little on your local market. Here in Germany for example, a new RX 6800 (the equivalent GPU, according to IGN) alone would be roughly ⅔ of a PS5 Pro, while a used one is a little less than half the price. You probably need to wait a generation or so for new PC parts to be price competitive (as you do with almost every new console release).
  However, if you already have an existing PC that you could upgrade (For example you have an earlier generation Ryzen processor and could upgrade to Ryzen 5000 with just a BIOS update and you could sell your current CPU and GPU to get some of your money back when buying something more powerful), you could likely easily beat it. That's the actual power of having a PC. You can stretch $700/800€ quite far, if you don't have to buy a new case, RAM, PSU, storage and/or motherboard.
- The proper metric to plan around is longevity, unless you absolutely need performance now.
  Performance and cost should be divided by time. Do you think that bit of hardware will be able to support software for the next two years, or five? That is one way to "compute" value, anyway.
  A 4090 will eventually be outdated and unable to run new software, but that may not happen for a good number of years. If you want to get super deep, start crunching the numbers on power costs too. It may simply become too inefficient to run, eventually. (Hell, it's probably super inefficient now, actually.)
  I almost always buy top-tier "last-gen" tech, right after "new-gen" is released when I am saving money. When I have the extra cash and it makes sense, top-tier may also be a good investment.
  Be honest with yourself and determine what matters most to you and put your money there.
  
  It also depends on what games you play, I never play any big AAA action games with amazing graphics so I don't need a crazy gpu
- I built a PC with similar specs than a PS5 in the smallest case I could find. The size is similar to a modern console. I payed 1800€, had to make some custom parts and I still saved the money for an OS by installing Nobara Linux.
  If you ask me: Nobody can build a PC, similar to a PS5 or XBOX Series, for a competitive price.
  Still, I won't change my PC for any console.
- Consoles are actually not priced to make a profit, they sell at a loss. They do this because they have a premium on games, and games exclusive to them. On top of this they charge for a variety of services, things that are free for similar games on PC.
  PCs' cost is up front. The cost of a console continues fore the life time of that console. If you have a PS5 for the average cycle to produce a newer version, you will have paid 800 dollars just for the ability to play their games online. That makes it $1500 dollars at this point. This isn't even including all the other little costs, and average of higher prices for games, the premium price on their devices/accessories, or the cost of the TV, etc.
  On top of this you can't also use your PS5 to work, like you can with a PC, or anything, really, other than gaming, and a select number of things, that you will be able to do with the things you need to have for the console, like a TV.
  
  Thanks! I’m aware of all of that. I don’t need to be convinced that a PC is worth it, I’m just out of my comfort zone.
  I was asking because the title was “I could make a great PC for that” and, like I said, I’m planning on building a PC. My usual instinct of “just get the more powerful one” will quickly lead me to financial ruin in the PC world. 😅
- The real trick is to find a friend that's a PC gamer and casually mention that you're considering building a PC. It is out of your hands at that point. The call will go out and spread like the fires of Gondor to everyone they know on Discord. Slowly but surely, used parts will begin to trickle in from others who have recently upgraded their PCs and have pieces they no longer need. A case here. Some old RAM there. A 3-4 year old GPU. Peripherals.
  Like hermit crabs changing shells, their old equipment will be passed down to you; the newest convert. Eventually you will have nearly all the pieces needed for a good mid-range gaming PC, to the point where you might as well just get the last few parts to finish it. And then your journey will be complete.
  As the years go by and you slowly upgrade your PC like a modern day Ship of Thebes, make sure to save all your old equipment. For there will come a time when you will hear those fateful words, "Hey, my friend is thinking about building a computer..." And the cycle shall begin anew.
- Why build a PC when you can buy a laptop/steamdeck for way less than 700$ instead?
  
  Steam deck is dope but it’s lower than PS4 quality visuals with faster loading times, not really comparable.
  
  I’ve done laptops, they’re fine but you can’t really upgrade them. So they end up costing more in the long run. Also I don’t think I’ve ever spent less than $1000 on a laptop, if I’m being honest.
  I like the Steam Deck, and may very well get one at some point, but it’s not what I’m after right now. A major reason I want the new PC is for Microsoft Flight Simulator. I currently play it on the Xbox Series X, and enjoy it very much, but the Xbox doesn’t have support for some of the mods I would like to use that require additional software. Also the XSX runs out of RAM for some of the avionics on newer large planes, which makes flying them nearly impossible. Some of this will be fixed with the optimization efforts in MSFS2024, but not the mod side.
  I don’t really feel like trying to get MSFS and my flight stick and pedals running on the Steam Deck. I’m sure it’s doable, but the performance wouldn’t be what I want anyway.

28 Blåhajar + a Mini one.

Did a quick one to mimic my current “console killer” pc that sits in my living room, runs Bazzite 6700 XT

This is new stuff, one of the benefits of PC gaming is that you can roll builds. So if you had a gaming pc in the last 5 years you're looking at a £450 upgrade, not a £700 one if you're a PS5 player. Or even hitting up used for things like cases etc

Using a bench of Horizon Zero Dawn for the GPU

2k bench taken from techspot

so doing what the PS5 pro will be and using an upscaller like FSR/DLSS to hit 4k

4K is in the 50s, but again scalers used brings it to 60.

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 4600G 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor	£87.70 @ NeoComputers
Motherboard	Biostar B450MHP Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	£50.99 @ Ebuyer
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 CL16 Memory	£16.48 @ Amazon UK
Storage	Western Digital Blue SA510 2 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive	£99.98 @ Amazon UK
Video Card	ASRock Radeon RX6700XT PGD 12GO Radeon RX 6700 XT 12 GB Video Card	£449.99 @ Amazon UK
Case	Thermaltake S100 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	£34.99 @ Scan.co.uk
Power Supply	MSI MAG A550BN 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	£42.99 @ Amazon UK
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total	£783.12
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-09-12 08:02 BST+0100

I have played GOW as well as a ton of other games this year at a resolution of 2K 144fps HDR on my machine without any issues or stutters. Also don't have to wait for a republish that I have to rebuy to enjoy older games at 4k 140hz currently playing AC4 and it looks amazing.

Please don't overpay for a 6700xt, get a 7800xt if you want to spend 450
- Good advice, my personal build was done a while ago
I've seen it mentioned that ryzen is more memory speed sensitive, seen Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 X 8GB) DDR4 3600 MHz CL16 kit for £35 on UK amazon, see a 32 GB kit for £60 for 3600, £52 for 3200. 32 is super overkill for most people still (shit I recall when 16GB was considered overkill), but it's cheap enough that it's harder to say it's a waste imo.
Side note, GOW is what sold me on hdr and was the game that got me to upgrade from a 780ti and 3rd gen i5, literally couldn't even run the game.

Honestly don't know what they thought was going to happen. They've had some misfires lately with the PS5 Pro not being needed at all (the PS5 is a decent bit of kit, and certainly capable of handling everything this gen can throw at it), selling a remote access tablet/controller that doesn't connect to their own cloud service, and even they've stopped talking about Concord.

You can buy 4 used switches, chip them, and buy accessories for them with 700$ available
- Buy 4 switches Cluster them into a super computer Emulate Ps5 … Profit!
  
  You can actually lan 16 switches together for Mario kart.

Isn't the Switch $300? 🤔
- I should have clarified lite but for formatting of the meme it's better to just put Switch.
  
  They're usually on woot for under 300
- At $80/year for the online. You'd still be saving $40/year compared to 2 switch subscriptions. You'd save enough in 5 years to buy the 3rd and still be saving $20/year on subscriptions.
  
  What if I'm not interested in playing online? Does the new console just require a subscription or something? I didn't actually watch the announcement because I don't need a hardware upgrade. I need more games that use what I already fuckin' have.

Sweet Sweet Microcenter bundle deals

Realistically, how much VRAM can you obtain for $699 after all the other parts?
- you can build a 7600XT setup for around $700, so I'd expect 16GB... which it has? I reckon you can build PS5 pro matching system now for 800 - 900 dollhairs, but that'll change when the next gen gpus launch.
  
  Since you're too lazy to make your own argument, here.
  Buying New (Because theres no true bottom to used PC Parts):
  GPU - 7600XT Fighter - $330 USD
  MB - ASRock B450 - $90
  CPU - Ryzen 5 2400G - $135
  SSD - Kingston NV2 - $60
  PSU - MSI MAG A650BN (Bronze) - $65
  Oops, only $19 for RAM, a case, and peripherals...
  Time to get schwifty and shit on the floor.
- So you've got no motherboard, RAM, or CPU. Btw Blue Yeti is a waste, you can get an equally good or better sample rate for cheaper.
  But at least you have 3 hard drives fpr some reason...

Good sir, your Pikachu is too HD. See to it at once
- It's a Sony Picachu. You might be thinking of the Nintendo one.
- Pika

But can it run Linux?
Honestly if it was a open ecosystem with powerful hardware that wouldn't unreasonable. Also if the games were cheaper it would be fine as often consoles are sold at a loss.
- Yes, actually. Hacked switches can run Linux and even Android.
  
  Can newer ones? I thought only the launch switches were capable of that, and they patched it later on.
  
  Exactly

Given that most games are multi-platform and that developers would need to optimize games for existing consoles, is there any real need for the pro version (not counting the Sony's desire to earn money by selling PS5 twice)?

A PC, sure. A great PC? Er... em... $1,000, sure.
- You pay a premium for sucky prebuilts when with bit of work and some research (assuming you've never done it before) you can build your own far better PC with decent specs for 700.
  pcpartpicker.com is your friend
  
  Where's the list with the same or better raytracing, upscaling, 2TB nvme, DDR5, all of that without having to fuck around with settings and shit for <$700
  Drop the method 🙏

Mechanical Keyboard Community:
"I need to see these $233 switches!" (Drools)