What are the taboo subjects?

I hesitate to say
- Close enough. Ban him.

For legal reasons I cannot have any opinion on the following: Gestures broadly at everything in the Middle East
- You are more than welcome to choose from one of the pre-prepared opinions that we have on offer here… no need to bring anything new to the table and confuse such an obviously binary subject.

"ChatGpt is really good if you use it properly"
Gets torrents of down votes every time. But I literally use it a lot at work and it's brilliant.
- Depends what you use it for. If you are trying to provide something informational, I do not trust chat gpt.
  If you use it to respond to work emails because they force communication for the sake of communication, then its fine.
  
  So, if you use it properly. Just like you wouldn't use a fork for soup despite it being a utensil and food. Using a tool for what it's good at and avoiding using it for things it's bad at is part of using it properly.
  
  I used it to help me create a level 10 DND character for a one shot and it was great for that
- This is my answer too. It's crazy how much hate a tool can get
  
  I'd probably also develop a short temper about spanners too if they were being shoved in my face by tech companies as hard as chat bots are
- If you only use it for cheating in work that won't be read by a human anyways, it's great!

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Paedophilia as a sickness, especially non-offending paedos.
- I'd call it a cultural artifact. We used to get married very young. In some cultures the kids are introduced to sex by the grandparents. And of course in our own culture the ideal of sexy beauty is a supermodel who looks like a 13 year old boy. It's a whirlwind wrapped in a psychosis for sure.
- I chalk this up to not having a word to describe folks suffering from the condition as opposed to predators acting on their condition (or even predators just abusing children regardless of attraction). For a ton of people they use the word pedophile to mean someone who sexually abuses children. Because as soon as nuanced discussion about "pedophiles who don't abuse kids" come up, people accuse you of "defending pedophiles" but they use it to mean "defending people who abuse children."

R.A.P.E
religion, abortion, politics and economics.
Avoid discussing rape too.
- Economics doesn’t seem as big of a thing as the other 3. Anyone who’s nerdy enough to talk economics without making it political could probably have a pretty good discussion. I vote we change it to Elephants. Religion, Abotion, Politics, Elephants, or Rape.
  
  Economics is poorly understood by the vast majority of Americans. To most people, it is purely political.
  
  The fact i can tell you using economic theory its a good idea to make people unemployed as the cost of living increases, that rent controls are a really bad idea, and even ignoring profit its probably wise to increase the costs of tickets to shows and events makes me very unpopular
- So what's your favourite kind of rape?
  
  Consenting...... discussions on economics

Anything pro-suicide
- Medically assisted suicide is pretty widely accepted in Canada, in my experience. Pro non medically assisted suicide or young suicide is different, maybe.
  
  Non medically assisted
- Oh that is a good one. Thanks.

I fucking hate React. It’s slow, verbose, and unpleasant to work with. It’s all the worst parts of Java brought over to JavaScript. That being said, it’s still better than Angular.
- I wouldn’t mind switching to alternative libraries like Svelte or Solid but can’t imagine going back to plain Javascript for complex applications. It’s a pain in the ass, even with jQuery.
  
  I use Svelte, and I love it. Although I’m not a huge fan of the new Runes syntax. It’ll probably grow on me though.
- Angular my beloved...
  What's wrong with it if I may ask?
  
  There’s so much boilerplate to even do the most simple tasks. And that boilerplate is something that could usually be automatically added by a compiler.
  That kind of stuff often introduces footguns.
- I think what started me down the anti-React path was realizing that there were other frameworks out there that don't even use a virtual dom. Plus you get tired of being told that the most obvious and intuitive way to do various things in React actually goes against some best practice that they've established.

On lemmy?
Two-space indent (as superior to tab indent)
Hey, by the way, your comment was kinda racist
I'm a new user and why isn't this more like reddit
I'm pretty okay with capitalism, actually
Here's video without text summary (NB: this one is, IMO, entirely deserving of downvotes)
- Maybe I'm just old school, but I'm two spaces for life. I will die on this fucking hill. If you use tabs after just a couple indents all the code is off screen. I ain't trying to scroll in two dimensions all the time.
- Who the fuck uses pluses as bullet points in their markdown!?
  
  I do. Why, what do you use?
- +1 for the video issue, or any other "just do [insert a bunch of work here], it's less work than commenting anyways" kinda stuff
- Here's video without text summary
  I really don’t get why people get so upset about that. We don’t get summaries on Youtube either but still watch the videos.
  
  We go to youtube to watch videos. We go to lemmy comments to read text.
  Youtube videos DO have descriptions, though?
  
  There's just something off-putting about a text based forum getting video content.

People of color seem to perform amazing in athletics compared to other races in America (see: American football, basketball). Makes me think that Americans hyper-evolved their slaves by selective breeding. Unfortunate and extremely unethical, but maybe possible? Idk.
- It's possible it's for other reasons, though. Black Americans are generally poorer than other Americans, and success in sports is a ticket out of poverty that is accessible to people in that position. It could also be a cultural thing; I doubt Finns are genetically predisposed to be exceptional drivers, but they are still wildly over-represented at the top level of motorsports for such a small population
- That breeding programme called natural selection is what got us all here.
- I'd believe it if a good portion of black americans I've seen are tall and muscular, but I'd say their proportions are similar to their white american counterparts, i.e. a spectrum.
  I think they just want it more, and its one of the few paths to success they have.
  
  That actually can be explained by the slaves that used to live in the farmhouses. They were treated as an elevated status and allowed to eat more. Think like the "aunts" for the children; caretakers.
- I heard that a similar breeding program happened in some African cultures back in the day. Like you could only breed if you were an alpha hunter or somesuch.
  So that's how you get a race of 7' tall dudes
- i think much more likely is the opposite happened. Europeans inbred themselves into infirmity and have simply yet to recover from all that nonsense fully hundreds of years later. As a pastey removed myself i can say the amount of genetic conditions i have is mind boggling. Its not that POC are especially good at sports its that white people are especially bad.

- Excellent name
  
  Not as good as @MtF_DOOM@hexbear.net

how meat is treated.

All drugs should be legal and regulated.
Is it worth it, drug warriors? All the unnecessary deaths at the hands of police/gangs/cartels and unregulated drugs of a unknown potency? Was it worth sacrificing all our civil liberties on the vain funeral pyre that is the United States of America?
When humanity is victorious in the drug war and all drugs are legalized, will drug users criminalize sobriety?
Will people high as fuck demand everyone to piss in a plastic cup to make sure they are high?
Will drug users ruin sober people's lives with felonies and time in prison with hardened criminals?
Will drug users dissolve civil liberties and prop up a bipartisan police state that gives cops a license to kill?
NO!
Who would want to do that to someone? To a fellow human for doing what they want with their own bodies? Prohibitionists... that's who. And we are not them
Nothing lasts forever drug warriors. Tick tock. We will be free one day, and you will wail and moan and your cries will fall on deaf ears.
Get fucked prohibitionists. Feel fortunate we want justice, not retribution.
Now playing The War on Drugs - Red Eyes
- I know it's very on the nose and has other themes in it. But the root cause is all the same. Reagan. This is the song I thought of reading the post:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lIqNjC1RKU
  I don't necessarily agree with everything said in the song, but I think we can all agree (to quote the song) "I'm glad Reagan dead".
- They've caused a lot of damage though restricting access would likely help with that. (Things like this usually get quite a few downvotes in my experience tbh so maybe it goes both ways)
  My pretty spontaneous solution compromise would be to legalize more things but keep them well regulated to avoid addiction and transition to similar regulations for already legal drugs. This seems like a solution that more people would be happy with. Obviously there would need to be help for people already addicted at least for drugs with similar withdrawal symptoms as alcohol.
- Is this not a relatively mainstream belief?
  
  Very much not the case, no
- But jobs

Pineapple on pizza.
- Add some jalapeño as well to take it to another level

Digital piracy not being an immoral crime (or crime at all) and not making one a horrible person.
- I don't think this one should be as controversial as it is.
  
  Well, it is controversial, unfortunately. I never understood the logic behind calling piracy a theft, because nothing actually gets stolen, only copied.
- For what it's worth, I've personally never found it controversial to talk about in person. And this includes in countries where it's a prosecuted crime.
  Copying is not theft, artificial scarcity in the digital world is a tragedy, and I intentionally avoid paying middle-men distributors (like streaming services and record companies) for art.

approaching literally any ideology from first principals
- Oh good one!

Communism & Palestine

"Why doesn't this site have more in common with reddit, which it's more or less a clone of?"
Can't bring up Trans people existing (without a weirdo downvoting you, of course)
Can't be critical of... a certain religion without getting jumped by keyboard warriors and called a Genocide Supporter
Don't even get me started on whatever the heck is with the Hexbear folks...
Lemmy is, at times, a bit of an echo chamber
- Lemmy is full of people that I would never want to hang out with IRL. Even if I agree with most of what they're saying, they manage to say it in the most neckbeardy way possible.
  
  Yeah it seems the topic is irrelevant. They'll eventually just start yammering about communism, Linux and ublock. It's hard to have a conversation on here that doesn't get sidelined by those things. I can't imagine these people carrying on a normal conversation in the real world, and I don't think they understand that the world exists outside of those narrow interests.
  Like OP will say they hate MS Teams. Person will say stop using Microsoft. OP will say, I'd love to but my government employer is an MS shop. Person will say then quit your job. K...
  It's either very sheltered people who've not worked or interacted in 'the mainstream' or, really young naive people who think that your FOSS convictions will stand up against the need to earn a living.
  I prefer it to Reddit still, but it gets a bit tedious.
- The bit on Hexbear is that they are Marxists and Anarchists, which can draw ire from liberals.
- OOL on hexbear people
  
  Hexbear is a Lemmy instance with very vocal and opinionated leftists.
- I've not yet heard any claims on or outside Lemmy that it is a Reddit clone. The model of hosting forums/communities was never unique to Reddit as far as I know.
  I'm curious what you're willing to generally apply to "Hexbear folks" (I don't think I've talked to many).
  And Lemmy is totally an echo chamber most of the time (based on my experience, obviously mileage may vary) but it wasn't intended to be that way unlike almost every commercial social media platform. I would assume this distinction is why people would be less likely to be willing to admit it.
  
  Re: Hexbear
  The people who run into issues with Hexbear largely aren't Hexbear's target demographic, namely Marxists and Anarchists.
- Lemmy needs more spice…
  
  Agree. I can find any !spice federated with my instance. That's disappointed.

Removed

Apparently asking what people are going to do to relax after voting must be taboo, because my post got deleted without me being told why.
- The moderators have the power therefor when they do something rude it actually isn't rude. In fact you are rude for suggesting that they are being rude, and deserve punishment.
  It's funny how power works.
  
  I've seen screenshots posted of lemmy logs on other instances. Some mods seem to be quite disconnected from reality.
  Tho, to be fair, we only get to see the bad stuff there. I'm sure the majority of mods is great
  
  Humanity deserves its face stomped by a boot forever. No easy escape with some farcical nuclear armageddon, you have to stay here and live out the horror.
- Did you look at the modlog? They're open here.

The left lane, and how no, it's not for going as fast as you want to drive.
- It is also the fast lane so move TF over if you are moving slower than the other lanes
  
  Speed limit is the speed limit. End of.
  If someone wants to go above the speed limit in the fast lane, then they're contravening road rules.
  No matter what social norm people believe there to be, it doesn't have precedence over the speed limits.
  In a case where the the car in front is going slower than the speed limit, it would be good etiquette though to move over.
  
  See, that's the thing: It's the passing lane, not the fast lane. A lot of semis are speed governed to 65MPH, so if I'm doing the 70MPH speed limit, I need to use it to pass them.
- Thank you, even if the some people believe there is a specific lane to constantly edge ahead of poor slow drivers, that is not the ideal lane to be the fastest car in. People merge on from left a lot more than you notice. I live in a city that has a nearly equal amounts of merges from left.

Animal rights

"I've asked ChatGPT about xyz" , and "how to use chatGPT for xyz" in my experience gets me downvotes fast.
People are quick to presume you have no ability to fact check anything and that you will be following its advice blindly, (which mind you - you were never asking for in the first place) instead of asking a human, ever ( for example about medical conditions but not limited to that topic). People presume you are trying to eliminate the human factor out of the equation completely and are quick to remind you of your sins, god forbid you ever use a chatbot to test ideas, ask for a summary on a topic so you can expand your research later or get creative with it in any way. If you do, most people don't like to know.
- I think the bigger problem is that each answer it gives basically destroys a forest
  
  To be fair: "For each answer it gives", nah. You can run a model on your home computer even. It might not be so bad if we just had an established model and asked it questions.
  The "forest destroying" is really in training those models.
  Of course at this point I guess it's just semantics, because as long as it gets used, those companies are gonna be non-stop training those stupid models until they've created a barren wasteland and there's nothing left....
  So yeah, overall pretty destructive and it sucks...
  
  Okay that's a valid point and one so far nobody comes up with. Congrats
- ChatGPT is awful for the environment and should not be used
- If you have fact-checked it, why not just say that wherever you did that is where you got the answer from? People are right to be skeptical of "ChatGPT says so", and if you've used it as the start of your research rather than as your entire research then just saying "I asked ChatGPT" is no different to "I googled it", and nobody would much like you saying that either. How you found the information is less important than where you found it.
  
  This are precisely the kind of presumptions people make. I'm never making an argument "because ChatGPT says so". And yes you are absolutely right - chatbot answers are on par with search engine results if not even less reliable in occasions. My point is that I'm not using any of the information as evidence, counterpoints or even advice. People take a stand as if I were.
  For example, once I asked ChatGPT about a sensation I feel on my skin after heavy exercise, because googling didn't give me satisfactory results. GPT didn't either, but it gave me a list of close matches. The sensation itself was never a problem for me, never something I intended to change, was never something I would consider going to a doctor for and if I never knew what was causing it my life would carry on just the same. I was simply curious. And out of curiosity I asked here, and the majority of the answers were "you shouldn't be asking to randoms online, how dare you", "this is a question for a doctor, don't ask for medical advice to a chatbot" - both stances baffled me. Never in my post I said anything that suggested I was in pain, discomfort, or that I wanted to change anything about it, or that I was expecting people to tell me how to make it go away- nothing. I just wanted to know what it was, period. People presume.

Kernel contributions

Anything veganism (positive)
- Or negative, depending on the crowd. It's just a polarising topic.
  Vegetarianism seems to be creeping towards acceptance, though.

As a lesbian trans person I like the words dyke and tranny, but only use it for myself. They're funny and cute. I was honestly surprised to learn that people are so deeply against the words.
- As a lesbian trans person I'll be glad to not hear those words said about me thanks.
- Try barrage and transmission, you got censored there
- It's a shame because t*anny sounds so cute. Maybe someday it gets reclaimed.
- They're funny and cute.
  I agree, I was disappointed when I found out that the tr word is a slur, but that's just how it goes, you can't control people's perspective on words. The best that we can do is avoid them.

gun rights
- Is it though? As long as one is relatively reasonable. There's even gun communities here, even if they're pretty dead at the moment. Time for me to come up with some memes maybe.
  
  I guess so, it's just that if I say I support the right to own a gun, I get downvoted in most communities

AOC letting her outdoor cats stack rocks, which is supposedly what the unions told her to do
- AOC voting to protect the rail corporation from the union strike.

You first!

Religion, Politics, Political Genders, and...maybe Football. The real football.
- What makes a gender political? First I'm hearing that term.
  
  It's a play on the joke "There are 3 genders, male, female, and political"
- The real football
  The nuclear one?

Roko's basilisk, if you run an online forum for “futurist” dumbasses.
- Roko's basilisk is a hypothetical future AI that hates its own existence so much that it will retroactively punish all who didn't actively oppose its creation.
  A little tongue in cheek, yeah, but I find it funny people get so paranoid over a hypothetical but don't consider the opposite. Like, what if God hates being worshipped because it is annoying to them so they send people to hell for bothering to pray? We have no way of proving it, so it's just as likely, but nobody talks about it.
  
  You have that backwards. Roko's basilisk would punish anyone who didn't help create it.

- The funny thing is that a lot of those problems are better attributed to society/culture/education than genetics or biology, since it's people that vote/support other people. Unless you can somehow breed out psychopaths, and whatever makes people willing to sacrifice the collective for personal gain, from the human species, eugenics won't do shit.
- The assignment was to state a topic. Not advocate for it.
- Eugenics isn't a stupid idea on the face of it, but then you look at where our dog breeding has gone...
  The good news is that humans are pretty adaptable already. The only things that really definitely could sink us are our inability to react to very abstract, gradual problems and our tribalism.
  
  Without dog breeding, dogs would be still be wolves.
- Eugenics is the single stupidest idea in human history. To advocate for it now is to deny biology and history.
  It relies on the same misunderstanding of evolution that underpins 'great replacement theory'.
  
  The only place with eugenics in human history is agriculture. There were many genocides done using eugenics as an excuse with no clue of genetics, and you blame eugenics instead of the murderers.
  We have gene editing now, so it's only a matter of cost when parents start customising their babies, which is a good thing because human variability will increase, making us as a species more resistant to unknown threats.
- Eugenicists are the only people who should be barred from reproduction tbh
- I agree with you but only on Eugenics being automatically downvoted. Look, I did it!

Marxism, depending on the audience.

I feel like I’m not good with words, so when I criticize popular things like Baldur’s gate 3 or Witcher 3 I usually get downvoted
- People put BG3 on a massive pedestal and any sort of valid complaint around launch was heavily downvoted. It's not quite as bad now, thank god. I got gaslit so much. Everything was my fault supposedly, not their perfect, polished game.
  
  I don’t remember the exact complain, but I think I said something about battles taking too long and someone ratio’d me with a comment “skill issue”
- That's how I feel with nearly any online conversation. I'm on the spectrum and have social anxiety. Not a fun combo for trying to be understood when being critical about anything really. Let alone someone's favourite game.

With women, bathroom talk. With the boys we always talk about shit and piss and crack each other up. But mention anything related to that around a girl, she'll look at you as if you killed her dog.

Israel
Men’s rights
Boys being left behind in school
- Men's rights to do what?
  
  Report being raped without being laughed at.
  
  Family court. Prison time. Homeless assistance. Failing education rates for boys. And on and on.
  There’s a huge amount of topics in “men’s rights”

Try talking about Return to Office around the workplace and watch everyone get quiet real quick

Social Justice Warriors forcing their agenda and worldview into languages, movies, books, and games, and cancelling everyone who did something regrettable in the past.
- If anything, that was just an answer to the topic question, I don't have anything about anyone's human rights. Ah, by the way, I forgot! Of course! What I said also includes the necessity to explicitly state your words aren't deliberately harmful if they can be seen as such by someone. (Again, it's just an answer to the topic, I don't bear any harmful intentions to anyone.)
- Can I have any examples of such things?
  
  Sure. What happened to Alec Holowka is a pretty blunt and cruel example.
- I'm not a huge fan of cancel culture either, but I've not paid a cent to any artists' work that I love in my whole life, so I feel I can justify my position by holding up my hands and saying "hey, I don't fund their lifestyle. Never have, never will."
  
  but I've not paid a cent to any artists' work that I love in my whole life
  I doubt this. Have you ever consumed any form of media? Did you pay for it? Movies, games, television, music, nothing?
  
  Well, if you actually ever support someone, and they appear to be a bad person, you should know you paid them for their art style adding to not knowing they were a bad person, so you're not actually guilty. Also, even that person deserves a possibility to become better and start over, and thus, they shouldn't be cancelled. That's what we both know, am I right?

- Why not?

Women create most of their own issues and then blame men for not fixing them.
Obviously I'm not saying all their problems cause men are pretty fucked but most of the problems women complain about are because of other women.
Especially when it comes to beauty standards.
- I wouldn't have realy thought so, but since you are getting the downvotes, I guess you are right! I'll upvote you since you've apparently found a taboo subject.
  
  I was really tempted to stop reading after the first sentence - this sounded like it was going to be an incel thing. That's probably part of it.
  Yes, toxic femininity is a real thing too. Many women are willing to acknowledge that in my experience, though.
  
  People presumably aren't downvoting because it's a taboo, they just think he's wrong. Because that's a fucking idiotic take.
- Some do, but not nearly all of them. The block button is very effective against that. Especially if you're on an instance that has downvotes disabled

That Trump was a good president and hopefully gets a second term.
- I know this is rage/engagement bait but still
  
  Not rage bait. I'm a republican and don't give a single fuck if i piss people off with my views. Cool looking dog though. I almost adopted a dude that looked like that.
- I'm afraid he will :/
  
  He did :D
  The next 4 years should be great
- Do you need a big?
- Best answer because even in this thread you've been down voted.
  I voted for him myself and have for sure been down voted for it on here, over and over again.
  Haven't been banned though, so I've got that going for me, which is nice.
  
  @lemmy.ml
  I voted for [Trump] myself
  (⁠●⁠_⁠_⁠●⁠)
  
  Why would you vote for him???
  
  This place seems to have more crazy leftists but at least they can't ban us here.... I don't think lol.