3d ago

My Honest Opinion

Fuck AI @lemmy.world

ekZepp @lemmy.world

3d ago

My Honest Opinion

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Maybe all digital content just shouldn't be trusted. It's like some kind of demon-realm or something. Navigable by the wise but for common fools like you and I, perilous. Full of illusion.
- I'm more like a moron fool, but ok.

Sure. Only problem is, it's a people issue. Some people making ai generated content may be honest and willing to abide to such rule, but most are proud to not even read the rules and just blast shitty slop left and right. For this second category of people, when you point it to them, a very small percentage of them goes "oh, sorry". The vast majority just keep posting until blocked.
Granted, this experience mostly stems from every media posting sites out there, so it may be a bit biased…

Personally, I don't really care.
I do enjoy some types of AI content, I do not enjoy others. Same as any other type of content. So that tag would be useless for my personal preferences.
Anyway nsfw tag is made not for moral reasons, but to avoid those images showing when you are in an environment that's not proper for them (basically so it doesn't look like you are watching porn at work), this makes no sense for AI content, So I don't see the point besides some kind of persecution driven by a particular ideology. So I don't support it.

Slop is insulting. If I take the time to read it, I want another human to have taken the time to write it.
- The counter there is to have an AI summarize it. No time taken to write nor to read haha
  
  That would work if it didn't get even that wrong a huge amount of time. There are entire subreddits dedicated to AI summary fails!
- Agree to an extent. Its a tool that can aid talentless folk like myself shitpost, and has its place. But I agree with tags and disagree with inundating forums and stealing ip

Eh, that makes it too easy for AI to avoid eating its own excrement
- interesting counterpoint. but i also imagine if ai content was correctly tagged, traffic to slop content would dramatically decrease, reducing incentive to post the content in the first place.
  i don’t know which force is stronger but i think both certainly exist.
- This. Don't let AI or AI posters know that you caught on. Just report them and be on your way.

It is available on R34, Hentai and Porn Website.
Truly we are just improving our tech to goon. LOL
- Tech progress has always been driven by humanity's desire to either kill or fuck someone. I, for one, prefer horny-based progress. Make love, not war, and all that.
  
  we need more innovation in the intersection of killing and fucking, perhaps by designing more realistic fuck-dolls that can have explosives rigged to them to trap and kill soldiers.

I am in complete agreement with this. While you can currently tell what's AI it won't be long before we're scratching our heads wondering which way is up and which way is down. Hell, I saw an AI generated video of a cat cooking food. It looked real sortve.

/signed

I think ai posts should only be posted on ai communities so I can block them all at the same time.
Seriously. Even for memes and funny stuff ai needs to fuck off.
And the fact that everyone even calls it ai when it's not even close to being a vi is infuriating.
- Compling
  Yeah that about sums it up

Not everyone will use it. Many right wing types spreading divisive or incorrect information, for example.
- I've also seen boobies that were not flagged NSFW. I didn't throw my hands up and just delete my NSFW filter though.
- I was going to suggest community tagging. But then I remembered that's how Steam works and their game tags are so stupid. So many "souls like" but not really.
  
  so many "multiplayer" ones that are strictly single player as well.
  Or steamplay compatible with MP tag but they expected you to just give control to your friend and watch as it's SP only
- True, but it'd still help.
  
  And sets a precedent for moderation.

political posts should have a tag as well, so people can filter them out. people just bluesky, pixelfed, ... instead of lemmy because of all the politics here.
- Yeah, we need to stop all the politics in here!
  Strokes his penguin over the head
- omg yes. it's so difficult getting someone to join Lemmy and giving them a list of terms to block if I know they won't like politics
  
  "Wait, everything is politics?!"
  "Always has been"

~~Ew, steve chowder the nazi~~
- in all honesty i just know the meme 🤔
  
  The person in the picture is a piece of shit right wing commentor.
  
  Here's a better version for you friend
  
  There are two versions of Calvin & Hobbes that could be used in his place.

Definitely, just to prevent it from being normalized. Just like crypto, flying cars, psychics, MLM businesses, this shit will fade in to the into the domain of low skill grifters.

And people want a NSFL tag and people want a…
You get a tag, and you get a tag, and you all get a tag!
- bring flairs to lemmy! i miss flairs!
  
  15 pieces of flair minimum.
- Just give us a "Sensitive" checkbox and a "Reason" textbox.

Just accept the internet is a mess and stop taking it serious.
Like i have always done and always will.

Most photos taken or edited on a cell phone are enhanced with AI. Where do you draw the line?
- A.I. generated 👉here is the line👈 A.I. enhanced
  
  That will do 👌
  
  so if I use an AI engine to do in-painting on an existing image, then that's fine? This image is AI enhanced:
  
  Would it need to be tagged? (obviously should be tagged NSFL)

Give me a "Elon Musk" & "Donald Trump"-Tag Instead. These Fuck faces are everywhere.
- Or just a US politics tag
  
  Get Politics Out Of My Shitposts
  I just want banal generic memes with hollow aphorisms, preferably with images of babies or puppies or something. I'm tired of waking up every morning and being confronted with the social expression of my degraded material conditions. People need to just STFU with their outcries of frustration and despair and get back to being clowns for my amusement.
- "Elon Musk and Donald Trump were individuals?"
  (people in 2035, who were not around during the Cronenberg-ing of Musk & Trump in 2028)

That might work for now when those of us who know what to look for can readily identify AI content for the time being, but there will be a time when nobody can tell anymore. How will we enforce the tagging then? Bad actors will always lie anyway. Some will accidentally post it without knowing its AI.
I think they should add a tag for it anyway so those who are knowingly posting AI stuff can tag it but I fear that in the next few years the AI images and videos will be inescapable and impossible to identify reliably even for people who are usually good at picking out altered or fake images and videos.
- I'd even be worried that bad actors would abuse the tag to take legitimate footage of something they want to discredit and reposting it everywhere with AI tags. They could take control of the narrative if enough people become convinced that it's AI-generated and use that to flip the accusations back on the people trying to spread the truth.
  
  Yeah unfortunately bad actors ruin pretty much everything. We can do our best as a society to set things up in a way where systems can't be abused but the sad reality is we just need to raise people better.
  Lying, cheating (the academic or competitive integrity kind) and many other undesirable behaviors are part of human nature but good parenting teaches kids not to use those.
- Good point.
  Bugger...

It should be fineable starting at like 500 dollars + any profits and ad revenue if its not labelled
- How much money is a Lemmy upvote?
  
  At least one money?

Is this AI content?
- No. I know because each hand has exactly 5 fingers.

Adobe is trying for the opposite. Content authenticity with digital signatures to show something is not AI (been having conversations with them on this).
- Oh I'm sure Adobe has the greatest of intentions on this. Such a reputable company that has a stellar past.
  I'm sure they won't gatekeep this digital human signature in some atrocious proprietary standard along with an expensive subscription to have the honor of using it.
  Don't listen to Adobe on AI or even better don't accept any "idea" or solution from Adobe.
  
  Yeah pretty much.
  I recall flash, and how they absolutely controlled it. I loved flash as a young programmer too.
  But in retrospect, forcing users to go through adobe to use something, with no alternatives? What a nightmare for a Open Internet.
- How would that work then, I presume most would just ignore it because if it only verifies you used Adobe to make something it's pretty worthless as a "this isn't AI" mark.
  
  As valid and informative as TwitteX' blue mark.
  
  It uses cryptographic signatures in the cameras and tools. Say you take a photo with a compatible camera, it gets a signature. Then you retouch in Photoshop, it gets a another signature. And this continues through however many layers. The signature is in the file's EXIF data, so it can be read on the web. Meaning a photo on a news site could be labeled as authentic, retouched, etc.
  Edit: Doesn't require Adobe tools. Adobe runs the services, but the method is open. There are cameras on the market today that do this when you take a picture. I beleive someone could add it to GIMP if they desired.
- And being adobe, they will put a nice little backdoor in it for them to change the credentials so that they can take artists' work and use it, train their AI with it, and sell it like they have been doing for years.
  
  You can't change the credentials if the user owns the private key. But nothing stops AI training, that's part of the terms of service of some of their products, which operate outside the realm of this more open initiative.
- Very nice idea in theory, but proving there is no AI involved in the creation of art is not something I think is remotely possible. It's an arms race more than anything, but I'm very interested in how Adobe will tackle it. I think people will be appreciating physical art more again, but even then we could argue about the usage of AI tools.
  Anyhow, people will have to come to terms with the fact that AI is here to stay, and will only get better too.
  
  My other reply talks about how this works with cryptographic signatures, but sure, people can lie. The key to this method is if there is a signature from a reputable artist, news org, or photographer, then that origin can't be forged. So it's about proving the authenticity (origin) vs the negative use of AI.

I think that would be a great Lemmy feature that puts an AI content warning when it is so tagged, similar to how it blurs images tagged NSFW.

I mean, trigger warning, nsfl, and other labels have been requested forever now. Might as well put AI into the rotation.

Will never happen

And it should be tagged at every level: metadata, watermark, poster, website. Redundancies will make it harder to use AI for lying.
Internet-wide, culture-wide, society-wide.

I think that will be increasingly impossible to enforce, as AI art gets increasingly better.
Also, if someone finds some cool art online how are they to know if AI was used or not?
- For me it would not be about enforcing but about giving the option to disclaim it.
  
  exactly 👍
- If AI artists are so confident that they are equals, why are they trying so hard to hide it?
  
  Because it gets a negative response? Regardless of whether they think it has a valid place as an art form, if they know it will get a negative response they probably won't want to share it.
  
  We're not trying to hide it, we care if you think it's AI or not. We just want to make majestic art
  
  I made a cool new avatar concept for one of my public accounts, shared it with some people to see what they thought, used AI to do so. Everyone said it was amazing and they couldn't wait to see it in use until I mentioned it was an AI mockup to use to pay someone to make something like it, then suddenly it sucked
  It's like Hitler's paintings, they're kinda somewhat decent enough for what they are but because of who/what made them they're suddenly a big deal
  ETA: See? Dipshits auto-angry at AI art because their brains are too small to think about things
- as AI art gets increasingly better
  I don't see it getting better nearly so much as I see it getting pervasive. When AI is one submission in ten and you've got a 90% flag rate, you can trim the instance of unflagged content to one submission in a hundred. But when AI is nine submissions in ten, half your feed is still AI-slop. When its ninety-nine submissions in a hundred, you're looking at nine AI images in ten even with a filter.
  The AI doesn't need to get any better at evading the filter. It just needs to beat the filter by raw numbers.

So… what you posted there could be photoshop or AI. In this context happily it doesn’t matter.
Sadly there are going to be times when fake images are taken as real.
And the tag would help.
But criminals gonna do crime. They will not use a tag.

A lot of people seem to think that all ai art is low effort garbage, which is just not true. There can be a lot of skill put into crafting the correct prompt to get the image you want from an image generator, not to mention the technical know-how of setting it up locally. The "ai art is not art" argument to me doesn't sound any more substantiated than "electronic musicians aren't musicians, go learn a real instrument" or "photographers aren't really artists, all they do is push a button". But regardless, I agree that we need good tagging, or as @ThatWeirdGuy1001 said, different communities. Even though the output looks similar, actually drawing things and wrangling prompts are two completely different skillsets, and the way we engage with the artistic product of those skills is completely different. You wouldn't submit a photo you took to a watercolor painting contest. Same with ai art and non-ai art.
Anyway, just thought i'd share my opinion as an ai non-hater.
- For art to be art you need space to express yourself through individual choices:
  play an original song on a real instrument, and you have the entire artistic spectrum to yourself
  if you make the music for it out of individual pieces, you narrow that range. The sounds are not yours, only their composition and words
  when you record a cover of a rap song over some elses beat, you further narrow it down to your performance only. Its still artistic expression, but to a much less degree than an original song
  In a prompt generated image, the image itself is not your expression. The prompt is, but comparing the amount of choices you need to make with a painting over a prompt, its just so.. less art?
  
  In digital art, the image itself is not your expression. The idea is, but comparing the choice of shaders you use with brush strokes done with real paint, where you can see and feel the emotions the artist wanted to express with their physical brush, it's just so... less art?

Yeah they "should" be, but I don't really think it's practically possible to implement and enforce a rule like that.

Text, sure. But I don't get the hate towards AI generated images. If it's a good image and it's not meant to mislead, I am completely fine with AI content. It's not slop if it's good.
- It's still stolen content. Regardless of any other issues, it's 100% stolen content.
  
  this bullshit again...
  
  I am torn on that. If it's a company making money off of it, despicable. If it's an open source model used for memes? I'm fine with that. We shouldn't act like artists follow some magical calling from god. Anything anyone creates is built on their education and the media they were exposed to. I don't think generative models are any different.
  
  So I assume you are morally opposed to piracy?

Totally agree. Yes.

Absolutely.
And !fuck_ai@lemmy.world
- sure 👍

i propose using the tag NSFC, short for Not Safe For Climate

Excuse me, why is this a shitpost?
- All opinions are always shit to someone, somewhere 👍 💩
  
  What I'm trying to say is, this makes far too much sense for to me to consider it a shitpost
  
  Opinions and assholes and all that jazz
- the default comment under any post here is getting mad at OPs when the sidebar literally says “everything and anything goes”
  
  In Internet culture, shitposting or trashposting is the act of using an online forum or social media page to post content that is of "aggressively, ironically, and trollishly poor quality".
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shitposting

Would you also want one for everything photoshopped? I fail to really see a difference. What if I train an AI to use photoshop? Then what?
- Photoshopping doesn't use a fuckton of energy and water and starve actual artists.
  
  That would be interesting: a tag that gives you a rough idea of the energy used in creation. So if some one did it with only solar power on a local model that would handle column a.

Lots of stuff should be tagged but isn't.
Bad faith arguments. Rhetoric. Information gotten from dubious sources. Metaphors that might be taken literally.... Lots of stuff.
Yes, tags would be a great addition to common language. I'd put them right up there with emojis