Woman says security guard at Liberty Hotel in Boston confronted her in bathroom, asked to prove gender
Woman says security guard at Liberty Hotel in Boston confronted her in bathroom, asked to prove gender
So the goal all along was pretext to force women to show men their hoo has?
While bathroom bills are explicitly aimed at trans folk, generally it's the non-gender conforming cis crowd that actually gets challenged IRL. Which isn't a bug, but a feature to control and enforce two clean arbitrary distinctions. Almost always some poor butch lesbian being accosted by the gender police and told to pee safely they need some makeup.
There is more to being a man than a tie, and more to being a woman than a dress. Humand are infinitely more complex than those old strict boundaries. This sort of attack is just a impotent attempt to force back the 1920'e statud quo.
A few years ago, my cis friend got harassed at a bathroom by a woman who didn't bat an eye at me (trans) being there
They say "we can always tell" and then go harass other cis folk. It's be funnier if it wasn't so sad.
We should all misgender every MAGAt male who enters the men’s bathroom. And tell them that pussies are not allowed in there.
Topic: Jd Vance is a trans man. He uses the “wrong” bathrooms at the White House.
Change my mind.
New way to avoid becoming the Nazi Bar. Ask them for ID before they can use the bathroom.
Fuck yeh
Start standing at the entrance to male toilets in conservative meetups, demanding to see everyone's (micro-) penis.
They're probably going to ignore you and go on about their business like adults.
Disappointed but not surprised that the sexual assailant in this article has not been charged with anything yet, let alone sexual assault...
Calling someone a creep for not matching your gender appearance expectations, as at least one of the women in line for the bathroom did to this lady, is also arguably sexual harassment. But nobody's going to bring any consequences against the woman that did that. Typical cis woman weaponizing false victimhood and then disappearing into the background with zero consequences and possibly zero self reflection.
If someone confronts you in a hateful way about your gender like this, maybe you suddenly become afraid for your safety (valid!) and spray them in the face with pepper spray.
When people ask what happens say you became afraid the stranger was trying to hurt you and put your body under threat because they were.
Might go over better in court if you wait until after they are asking to see your private parts.
Better to just carry a gun and asking questions later. Make sure they know why they were killed before they die. Tell them to their face as they lay dying. “You die because you’re a sack of shit.”
No judgement to anyone, but I think pepper spray is a better option here because bigots want you to be a threat which makes resisting hard because resistance can be so easily propagandized as a violent threat.
If you spray someone in the face with pepper spray, well.. it is much harder to make the argument you are a violent threat vs. that person was being a fucking creep and making you feel uncomfortable because you were alone with a stranger in a bathroom being accosted about details of your gender and body that have NOTHING to do with them.
It is 2025, I am not going to judge trans people or other vulnerable groups for taking their safety into their own hands, just be mindful of how you do it and consider how you can subvert the toxic attempt to narrativize your actions as evil.
A gun is not an appropriate solution to this, non lethal response is a better solution, and will provide you MUCH better protection in court afterwards. Murder\Manslaughter charges can fuck you over very easily, even if you THINK you are defending yourself.
And before anyone thinks I'm anti-gun. I have a CC license and I have hunted for 30+ years.
Not defending the idea of vigilante justice for bathroom perverts -- but even if so, why would it be important that they know why they were killed?
If anyone ever corners me in a bathroom and tries to look at my genitals I'm stabbing them
Security asked for ID so at least that was clickbait. Apparently this happened WHILE they were inside the stall btw.
Security literally started banging on the door full force demanding they open it while people are doing their business.
Between what?
God forbid you take a shit in the vicinity of someone with different genitalia. The entire bathroom debacle is straight up childish.
Good god, imagine them even looking different! At a certain point, I don't even care about the genitals, I just don't think women should be allowed to cut their hair or wear jeans or shoes (/s I don't even know what I'm channeling at this point)
So Tomboys and Butch women are illegal now, got it.
why not just rip the bandaid off and start saying only blonde white women are good, you've got Vince McMahon's wife in the inner circle afterall..
What's the difference between a tomboy and a butch woman?
Butch implies they're sapphic, tomboy does not.
butch is more masculine
So Tomboys and Butch women are illegal now
🤦
got it.
So ironic.
So pissing in a bowl is considered sexual assaulting women now? Wtf? Not like she did it out in public fucking hell America is making itself look shittier and shittier every day now
Again, you should just disappear.
History has shown us that if a man wants to go into a women's bathroom to harass or assault women, he doesn't usually get all disguised to do it.
Why would a rapist pretend to be a trans woman in a society that treats rapists better than trans women?
Yeah and (at least in this case) if he's a security guard, he just walks right on in!
And they are usually white men. In a security guard outfit.
Or pageant owners...
Turns out the male in the women's bathroom was the security guard, instead.
Again.
When I was a kid I thought fancy ladies rooms had butler dudes in them too
I'll be honest, it never really crossed my mind that the ladies room attendant was a chick, I never really put much thought into that one.
Also too, BECAUSE IT'S JUST A DESIGNATED PLUMBED ROOM TO TAKE A SHIT, NOT A FUCKING THING TO BE POLITICIZED.
I am a guy, but I have actually been to a few places, maybe two, in my whole life, that actually did have butler type people in the restrooms.
IIRC, one was some yearly corporate gala thing... utterly insufferable... the other was a fancy pants opera theatre.
"For gender nonconforming, lesbians, women in general, being harassed in public restrooms is a tale as old as time. I do think the surge in national anti-trans rhetoric is contributing to an increased policing of women's bodies and their expression of gender," Selvaggio said.
And yet, terfs will blame trans folks for this trend, instead of the anti-trans culture they themselves contribute to.
Yup, the terfs in line couldn’t imagine a woman exists who didn’t look like their version of a woman to them since she didn’t follow every trend of what “being a woman” should look like based on social media, most likely.
Baker was born a woman and identifies as a woman. But, she said she was escorted out of the restroom and then comments were directed at her from other women waiting in line.
"Someone said, 'Get him out of here,' referring to me. 'He's a creep,' also referring to me," Baker said.
I'm already seeing it "Transpeople caused this!" "This wasn't necessary until THEY stirred the pot!"
TERF Kinds of fascist apologia
Well, it wasn't necessary until recently and it's only a problem in relatively few locations globally.
Both sides blame each other for why there's a problem.
Go figure.
better title: security guard sexually assaulted a patron.
By definition this is so close to terrorism
I don't see what the big deal is about bathrooms. I have been to bars and nightclubs and even gas stations where there is no gender assigned to the bathrooms. You have stalls and you have urinals. Anyone who only wants to pee and can do so standing up, uses the urinal. Anyone who needs to poop or wants to sit down while they pee uses the stalls. No one touches anyone else without permission and staring at anyone else's crotch in the bathroom is creepy. I know men are creepy but I would argue that they will behave themselves better when there is more traffic in and out of the bathroom. Hanging a sign that restricts gender won't keep a creep from lurking in there anyway.
Yeah, I've used the men's room before and nothing happened. I saw the urinals and realized my mistake, but when you gotta pee, you gotta pee.
I once drunkenly wandered into the women's restroom at a bar, took my piss after I couldn't find the urinals, got all the way to the washing my hands phase, me and a lady who was also minding her business locked eyes while she also washed her hands, we both triple took, then I said "ooops I'm not supposed to be here" then we both just cackled, and went about our business.
That's the end of the story, no one was upset, no one was assaulted, no one gave a single fuck and we both had a good laugh.
A mate of mine met his wife in the women's toilets
(Mens was disgusting, he nipped across, she "caught" him in there and laughed her arse off at his expression. )
That's just it, these pricks who keep throwing a fit about who uses which bathroom are really much more interested in hating transgender people than they are about protecting anyone. You can point out stats about who is actually assaulting who and how it's happening, and it won't change a thing, because protection was never the point.
The cruelty is the point.
It's the same reason why there's suddenly a big deal about women's sports.
It's not about protecting women at all, since it now leads to men policing those spaces and basically demanding from women that they drop their panties to prove their sex.
And that is the actual goal, to invade women's spaces and bodies.
Why do you people assume it's only men that don't want males using female bathrooms?
There are a lot of women who also don't want males using their bathrooms.
Very location dependent. I've no issue with trans women in the women's bathrooms but I don't want men in the women's bathrooms everywhere. Clubs, parties, homes, work office even, but mostly anonymous quiet public bathrooms, no. And it's about walking in and a man or group of men being in there already, plus being followed in.
This attitude doesn't make any sense.
If you don't want groups of men in the womens' toilets then why would you support a system that would force Trans men to use womens' toilets on a mandatory basis?
"it’s about walking in and a man or group of men being in there already, plus being followed in." A sign won't prevent that. The sign will only prevent men who care about rules and social norms from going in there. The kind of men that we all need to worry about, don't care about such things.
but I don’t want men in the women’s bathrooms everywhere.
How are you going to enforce this?
From the article:
On Tuesday morning, The Liberty Hotel said it has finished an investigation into the incident and "the security officer is being suspended from their position." It said all staff are being retrained "on inclusive practices and guest interaction protocols." The hotel is also making a donation to a local LGBTQ+ organization.
Pretty sure inclusion training is now illegal in the US
I live in Boston. My parents have stayed at that hotel before while visiting me. I’m going to tell them to not consider it going forward.
The Hotel suspended the asshole guard and is doing a bunch of things to try to make amends and you want to punish them?
Edit: and they are doing all of his in an America lead by an administration that is actively trying to punish any company or organization that even whispers inclusivity or acknowledges LGBTQ+ people and causes.
Backpedal and save face (and pay lip-service)
Imma gonna start calling these fools the twat pigs. Even "genital police" sounds too dignified
i knew a person that was misgendered, and was questioned by AA person why she went into the womans bathroom because she was wearing a shoes and some clothes that men wear.
AA? Alcoholics Anonymous?
She was wearing SHOES??? How dare she. Cross dressing is getting out of hand.
A shoes?!
How dare her's!
GUARD: SHOW ME YOUR PUSSY!
GIRL: No, get out of the girl’s bathroom. I’m calling the police.
GUARD: then… PROVE YOUR GENDER?
Sounds like a script from a pron movie
Hey! I’m an uhh amateur filmmaker. Want to make a movie with me?
My response would have been "you first"...
Huh, offtopic, I didn't know there were derby parties outside Kentucky
Exactly the type of people empowered by the current administration.
That security guard should be fired.
Arrested for violating the woman's civil rights.
He should be arrested.
Better answer. Yes.
In fucking BOSTON?
THAT PIECE OF SHIT IS LUCKY TO BE ALIVE
He was
He was suspended, not fired.
'nt
Texas security guard on a grayhound: ma'am, are you pregnant or a fat guy?
Guy: Dude, its a bus! Everyone goes in the same toilet when its a bus! Wanna see my pee pee?
"The Liberty Hotel is and always will be an ally of the LGBTQ+ community..."
With allies like that...
Aww that's gross. I thought the Liberty Hotel is a fun place. Also…y'know…liberty…
They are at liberty to demand you show your genitals
...your genitals, whuuuut
It's actually converted from an old prison, so has a long history of negating personal rights.
What if it was a dragon eating the patrons, would it be acceptable then?
IT WASNT A MAN, THATS THE POINT
None of this ever was an issue in the past until Republicans started pushing bullshit natives that noone cared about before to keep people distracted with a shiny turd whole they rob the state blind
Step 1: Raise concern
Step 2: Security calmly lets the person know that some of the other patrons are feeling uncomfortable because they think the person is male/female.
Step 3: Person will say they're female or identify as one.
Step 4: Security says OK (maybe apologize for the inconvenience).
Step 5: Let other patrons know. Anyone still uncomfortable can wait until the person leaves or use a different toilet.
That's really it. There's no reason for an officer to ask for proof or ask them to get out if all they're doing is using the bathroom.
I think some of the snarky replies you are getting is a result of users assuming you're asking a hypothetical just to ruffle feathers when the answer to your question is this simple.
Thanks for the rational response.
Step 3: Person will say they’re female or identify as one.
Is identifying as the opposite sex really something that is commonplace now? Usually these discussions center around identifying as a 'woman,' which is why I was specifically referring to sex in my question.
What if patrons who would be upset over having a male in the female restroom don't care what the male identifies as?
Pepper spray that creep!
Please don't associate one of my favorite movies with those POS's.
I hate to say this because I really do love Boston. But it's a racist shithole that needs to be burned down
And MA claims to be so progressive with their gun control laws
If they are really so scared of trans. Why not just put an alarm button in the bathrooms? That's triggers a loud alarm and calls security? Seems easy
That's just the same situation as in the article above with extra steps.
Some random lady thinks another lady is transgender or whatever. She pushes the button, alarm goes off security comes in. What then? They ask to prove she's a woman. It's the same thing.
People should mind their own business in bathrooms instead of gatekeeping who can take a shit.