You know what's baffling about this take is that at least mask off nazis have a very easy consistent non mental gymnastics take on it: "yes, they burned trans literature and it was good that they did so." Fascinating, now face the wall. I don't know what kind of pretzeling this moronic take requires. In fact, not only did Magnus Hirschfield's institute research queerness and transness, they undertook the first gender confirmation surgery. The woman in question, Dora Richter, is presumed killed during the attack on the institute or in custody after it. All of this information is incredibly easy to verify.
I think the terf logic here is that it's slightly more socially acceptable to just erase trans people than to be outright on the side of nazis? Posy Parker doesn't seem to mind either way lol, but also the cultural awareness of queer people as holocaust victims still seems new and relatively small, so perhaps they see it as a defensible hill to die on.
I think JK Rowling is the type of transphobe that wants to pretend transness is new. Understanding that Nazis were burning books about trans people does more than put TERFs on the same side as nazis, it also means trans people have been here a lot longer than whatever it is she blames.
she's reposted a thread someone very normal made about how Magnus was actually in cahoots with the nazis because he was such a eugenics fanboy, or something
Was he? It doesn’t justify anything either way, but I just don’t know if I should mad about her pretending to care about eugenics or mad about her making such a vile false accusation.
Super cool that we live in the timeline where advocating for an end to the genocide of the Palestinians is anti-semetic but denying the crimes of the Third Reich is just a reasonable opinion.
How common is it for the Holocaust to be seen as a genocide against exclusively Jews? I feel like Zionist propaganda has done a lot to revise and mythologize the atrocity.
Yep, liberals conveniently forget that leftists, slavs and POC were exterminated by the Third Reich in just as great/or greater numbers for the delusion of "lebensraum" (it's not a competition, but what I mean is that it's basically forgotten and ignored by liberal's history)
Yet at the Holocaust museum and elsewhere, the word “Communist” has been dropped, replaced with “socialists,” as though Niemoller had written so, though he did not (for in 1945, even anti-communists recognized that communists were targets of fascism). This might seem like a quaint point in our post-Cold War time. Perhaps the change was made by those who fear the word might “confuse” those who equate Communism with fascism, Nazi Germany with the Soviet Union, thereby ignoring a truth, also widely accepted in 1945 and not by the left alone, the intimate connection between fascism and capitalism. Although “socialists” might seem to simply indicate a more commonly recognized left radicalism, its use removes the specificity of Niemoller’s original. Distortion, after all, distorts meaning.
The change in language contributes to the sense that social conflicts past and present are morality plays: good people on one side, bad people on the other, and never the twain shall meet. The air of self-satisfaction embedded in such simplifications reduces political questions then to an easily ignored morality, much like the Christian injunction to “love thy neighbor,” repeatedly uttered without context by those whose deeds condemn countless to hunger, illness and the ravages of war (unlike Martin Luther King’s same use of that phrase which had meaning for it was always and explicitly tied to context and content).
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The pattern of developments noted above was familiar to Niemoller and others of his generation. The attacks on Communists, Social Democrats, unions, attacks on working-class institutions and communities, led each to be isolated. This was interwoven with attacks on populations (Jews, later Roma, Slavs, the disabled, gays and others) that were even more vulnerable. In the process, civil liberties were lost (including liberty of conscience) which finalized his fate and that of may others who spoke up too late.
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But when “communists” are removed by those who otherwise quote Niemoller as he wrote because they are “unwanted” victims, then a sign is given of a partial solidarity that fails the test of solidarity altogether. Perhaps an analogy can be made when defenders of vulnerable populations ignore the plight of a vulnerable population closer to hand – such as those who are (or have been) in prison, for it means the support that is given is itself contingent upon impression and circumstance. Moreover, eschewing Communists as victims is part of the process of separating defense of liberties — freedom of speech, assembly, press — from active use of liberties to create more social justice, to make use of democracy to advance popular power, social justice, and freedom through equality. Niemoller never abandoned his rejection of anti-Communism, even when it quickly resurfaced in Germany during his lifetime.
I use that as making a point when discussing propaganda. Asking people how many died in the Holocaust , most of the time you get the answer 6 million. Pointing out why they forgot the other 6 million usually makes people think.
99% of burger education is "the jews". I had to wait u til senioe year of high school when a teacher flippantly said "yeah they gassed the gays and crippled too"
I do for sure. And I do support a quick death, but... I have thought about reeducation. However the reeducation would be something like forced mushroom trips or something, basically retrain the brain to feel empathy and forcibly make them feel mental anguish, if only because when I've spent the time thinking about it, they're a nihilist and death is simply too easy to grant a nihilist. Or turn them into a thinking feeling vegetable ala One from Metallica. Like even rip out the teeth so they can't even bite, and they can be a weird human sex toy pillow thing(yeah... It was really really weird, it was on some hentai artists page, found it while trying to find some of the artists milder stuff on Reddit...)
This is my messed up 'how could we be worse to them than they've been to humanity' take though. Feel free to steal, don't give me any credit please lmao.
As much as I love the guy, what gets overlooked in popular understandings of the Institut für Sexualwissenchaft's work was that a great deal of it was the result of trans people coming in and advocating for themselves about what they wanted and the people at the institute working to find a solution. So in that sense, the creation of a somewhat primitive proto-gender affirming care regimine was done in direct collaboration with trans people, despite the fact that, like you say, a lot of cisgender men like Hirschfeld and Levy-Lenz got the credit for it.
Also, I had no idea we finally got a Hirschfeld emote, that rules
it's one of those things where it just feels obvious that an effort should be made at every level to actually include trans people in the research about themselves. like my scientific training is in space shit, and let me tell you, if i could teach a blackhole how to research itself i fucking would have.
I thought that was what they thought about the Irish though? Pretty sure before they were love bombed they would've bent over backwards to suck Hitler off. Maybe it was just the first widely documented (in glorious black and white photography) abusive relationship between two deeply in love countries?
I just... I can't even. How could you just look at a bunch of bread baking ovens and think that? I've been to Germany. They are such nice people. Why would you accuse them of these awful things? It just doesn't make any sense.
Almost feels like there's a vast international conspiracy of (((media institutions))) intended to make the Germans look weak. Damn, wish someone had written a book about his struggle against this kind of thing.
So looking at these comments I guess I’m the only one who is wholly unable to decipher the quoted tweet. are they asking jk why she feels compelled to think and speak just like a nazi would, on matters pertaining to gender ? .
I'm going to play devil's advocate here and be way too charitable, is there a chance that she's saying that she never advocated for burning trans research books? That they need to do check their source for HER views, where she's actually a very reasonable and respectable Nazi who would never advocate for burning books?
Notice how J KKK Rowling changes "trans people were victims of the Nazis" (indisputable historical fact) to "trans people were the first victims of the Nazis" (probably not true, easier to portray as and absurd claim and a possibility to derail the discussion with pointles arguing over who counts as "the first" victims)
I don't think so. To me it reads very clearly that she thinks the "trans healthcare" part of the Nazi book-burning is what is preposterous. Pretty sure she's one of those transphobes that believes trans people are some kind of modern woke plot that hadn't yet been invented back in the 1930s. Obviously she would also deny upholding Nazi ideology, but she wouldn't use that kind of terminology. What she is calling a "fever dream" is referring to the historical fact of Nazis specifically burning research on trans healthcare, I'd bet my meager life savings on it.
You fknow that whole first they came for [this group] first?
Yeah that was the Nazis and the gender studies institute. Murdering a transgender person and burning the books within. But we don't teach that in schools because it would be inappropriately
It's sort of wild how almost all of these anti-trans sacks of shits lead themselves to nazi apologists. Also the terf lady could try not being terminally on twitter.