Germany issues arrest warrant for 'Ukrainian diver who played part in Nord Stream explosions'

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Limited hangout to try and cover up that the US did it

It doesn't matter which nation produced the actors responsible, there is a ruling class of criminals who defy borders to create conditions wherein they can profit. The extent to which the constituent parts of this CIA/foreign intelligence services/business/organized crime network actually meet and speak frankly versus just generally being able to read the room is not important because the outcome is indistinguishable to us whether it's 10 guys in a smokey room or 10000 people acting as part of a system. It's a bad system either way and it should be replaced with one that makes any ruling class dictation impossible.

But I thought Ukraine didn't do it and Russia blew it up instead as a false-flag operation? morshupls

I think that absurd line held in mainstream media for what, maybe two or three months until it was untenable and they started pretending that some Ukrainians did it in a tiny boat
- I think that absurd line held in mainstream media for what, maybe two or three months until ~~it was untenable~~ regular people forgot Nord Stream even existed
- Even worse that people will continue to believe it even after the truth comes out
- they started pretending that some Ukrainians did it in a tiny boat
  
  Looks like that's going to be the official line if they're looking to arrest a single guy and maybe a handful of others
  
  It's absolutely absurd to believe that this was done by three people on a tiny fishing boat but that's what's going to enter the public record forever and anyone who disagrees is a tankie
Yup.

Russia blew up their own pipeline that was printing them money, so that they could lose lots of money AND anger the West more, instead of just turning it off. Or just not doing that.

I'm still not sure who's more idiotic, liberals for buying that obvious batch of lies or the US state apparatus thinking that would work. I guess the liberals are dumber, it did work, despite not standing up to the slightest bit of scrutiny
- I am just following Mark Ames’s logic from Radio War Nerd here: if Putin is stupid enough to invade Ukraine, then he is stupid enough to blow up his own pipelines.
  
  You forgot the key ingredient: that Putin is stupid.
It’s a short step to just say it was a Russian-sympathizing Ukrainian
- I was told those don't exist

I read some articles in major German MSM outlets and the stuff they write, and the language, is just so insane. Take this "exclusive" article by our dumb version of the NBC (which somehow costs German 2x as much as the Brits pay for their BBC, lol)

https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/ndr-wdr/nordstream-172.html Just do a quick Google translate, if you want to really fry your brain.

Almost two years after the bomb attacks on the Nord Stream pipelines in the Baltic Sea, Federal Prosecutor General Jens Rommel has obtained a first arrest warrant against a suspect. According to information from ARD , Süddeutsche Zeitung (SZ) and Die Zeit, this is the Ukrainian Volodymyr Z., who is said to have last been in Poland.

Chief federal prosecutor Erwin Rommel indicts Ukrainian man "Volodymyr Z." - are you friggin' kidding me?

According to the research, two other Ukrainian nationals, including a woman, are considered suspects by investigators. They are also believed to have been involved in the attacks, and may have worked as divers to attach the explosives to the pipelines.

What's this "research" they keep talking about? Do journalists research stuff for the prosecution now? Did the prosecutors leak this information? If so, is that not a felony, or at least extremely unprofessional conduct? Why is there no press conference by the prosecutor? Am I the only one who finds this a little odd?

Investigators from the Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) and the Federal Police appear to have made a breakthrough in one of the most spectacular cases of the past decades. While Sweden and Denmark had already closed their investigations into the case at the beginning of the year, the Federal Prosecutor General (GBA) continued his proceedings on suspicion of "intentionally causing an explosion" and "anti-constitutional sabotage". A spokeswoman for the Federal Prosecutor General left questions about the arrest warrant unanswered.

Well did they make a breakthrough, or didn't they? Why does it "appear" like they did? Why is there no press conference? Oh there was a press conference, but they refused to answer? Where do you get this information then?

According to the research, the investigators were apparently able to collect sufficient evidence in recent months to obtain an arrest warrant against the Ukrainian Z. from an investigating judge at the Federal Court of Justice at the beginning of June. In June, the German prosecutors are said to have approached the Polish authorities with a European arrest warrant in the hope that the suspect could be arrested.

Well why didn't the Poles arrest him then? What's all this European transnational legal stuff worth if it can't be enforced? What about EUROPOL, and INTERPOL?

According to research by ARD , SZ and Die Zeit, German investigators assumed that Wolodymyr Z. was last living in a town west of Warsaw. However, the Ukrainian is said to have recently gone into hiding. It is unclear whether he is now back in Ukraine.

What? How is this not a supranational super-inportant investigation, with backing from the German government? Aren't we like, the 4th largest economy on the planet or something? How is this not a complete shamble, where at least 20 or so heads of public office holders have to roll?

In a brief phone call on Tuesday, Z. expressed surprise at the accusation. He denied having been involved in the attacks on Nord Stream.

What telephone interview? Who interviewed him? Why wasn't he interviewed by the police, or prosecutors? Why was he not immediately apprehended then?

Okay so maybe I've fried my brain or something, I don't know, but this whole article seems EXTREMELY suspect to me. Why all these "investigations", and still there's nothing solid?

Nordstream 2 alone cost like 10 BILLION Euros. Even if the cost was split 60:40 between Russia and Germany, which I think it was, that's still close to 10 BILLION dollarinos for the four pipelines in total, over what, 20 years of build time? And the destruction of this much money is investigated in such a lackadaisical fashion, and nobody raises an eyebrow? Completely insane.

Tomorrow at work people will talk about how they're certain that Russia did it, but at least our brave investigators have a clue now, and anyway we don't need this dirty Russian gas, and oh our economy will surely fire back up once we got rid of all these immigrants. Nobody questions this bizarre narrative, and all the bizarre things written about this "investigation". I'm losing my sanity here. Please help me, President Xi! xi-plz

Chief federal prosecutor Erwin Rommel
- lol Rommel being one of the main figures in the clean Wehrmacht myth. They'll take the nazi detector and say "yep we found one of the good ones".
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Rommel
  
  Who would name their kid
My biggest gripe with journalists is that they think they're journalists
- The schmuck who wrote this garbage probably truly believes that it's a piece of "unbiased" and "objective" reporting.
  
  I've met enough of these idiots to know that, as a profession, they truly believe there's such a thing as objective reporting and that they're doing it - or coming as close to it as possible. I've had so many discussions with these idiots which boils down to me just repeating myself because they can't seem to get the basic fact that "when you report on something you have to make decisions on what to include and exclude, and just by doing this basic thing you are no longer presenting an objective retelling of events. Any depiction of the truth requires that you decide how to depict it".
  
  If you wanna bring up how money or politics influences it, forget it. They'll go full whatabou- oh wait no it isn't that, because we're the uh... The good guys... They'll point out how China is totally worse actually. Then they'll want a discussion about what censorship really is, but fuck me if I wanna have a discussion about censorship with an idiot who doesn't understand that "when you write about something, you're making a decision just by way of how you write it." Especially when I've read these idiots articles about protests that got teargassed and they all contact the chief of police for a quote. It's insane how often I've read the phrase "the police was forced to deploy sticks and teargas."
  
  Journalists are the dumbest people around and they really suck because they think they're smart and enlightened.
  If you were enlightenedas a journalist you'd start out by accepting you're a propagandist, that's your job. Only by accepting the actual state of affairs will you be able to address them. I fucking hate journos, dumb smug brickheaded pieces of shit. It should be legal to drown them
I don't understand this, is the man literally named Volodymr Z(elensky)?
- The article I posted says his name's Volodymyr Zhuravlov.
Imagine you're a liberal journalist working at one of the largest news sites in your country, then you write an article like this.
Most liberals are technocrats and they like to pretend to be professionals.

How can you take yourself seriously after covering Nord Stream in western journals, and not sounding the alarm bells that this is complete and utter bullshit? Even worse for Germans, this could be considered treason, at least in some sense.
How are their heads not exploding from the cognitive dissonance?
literally nobody gives a shit

like for fucking real if you want to shit on germany there are a billion fucking reasons to do so, but someone blowing up ten billion dollars of pipe isn't fucking shit on the radar
And the destruction of this much money is investigated in such a lackadaisical fashion, and nobody raises an eyebrow? Completely insane.

You have to understand that Germany is now more of a vassal of the US, which is kinda insulting to medival vassal relations. During the Cold War there was some leeway, but Merkel got rid of all of that.

99% positive that the US paid some ukranian guy to steal a useless blastcap just to have evidence that a ukranian was involved

I did think immediately 'ah, they've found themselves a fall guy'

More info will come out in time, I suppose. Give it 50 years.
I'm certain that this guy is already at a CIA black site, if he hasn't been killed by them already.

Ukro diver

You've been down too long in the Baltic Sea

That's what we told Germany

This article left out the best part: the guy's called Volodymyr Z michael-laugh

https://www.politico.eu/article/german-authorities-obtain-first-arrest-warrant-ukraine-nord-stream-bombing/

Can't believe that actually made me laugh out loud. I am truly poisoned.

The 'Ukrainian diver' is russian or Germany became tankie? /s

"The ukrainian diver is russian" is the most dominant theory on Reddit and I'm not joking

never forget the boston marathon bombing and the geniuses over on that site
- I witnessed that shit live. I swear, every big terrorist attack in the US gets South Asians the big stick.
  
  Al Qaeda hit the Towers? An Indian/Pakistani IT nerd gets whacked, bonus points if they’re Sikh.
  
  Dagestani white dude bombs marathon? Where are the brown mother fuckers.
  
  It’s always color pallette. All the time every time.
  
  Dollars to donuts the propaganda posters against Russians will have them depictdd with brown skin
- Besides the implication of Putin destroying a thing that he already posses been idiotic, the phrase "ukrainian diver is russian" is itself dumb.
- the cope i saw on was that it would've been terrorism to not blow the pipeline up and this is good.
I can't tell if this is a bit
- is not completely obvious that is a bit? lol I gonna add a /s
lmao

Germany has become pro Russia we have to nuke them NOW!

Russian agents have infiltrated the German government
Russian agents have infiltrated the German government

My head canon is that whoever did this may have been Ukrainian but they were for sure CIA asset and now the state department will begin their inevitable process of abandoning Ukraine and throwing them under the bus for their own failures in this conflict w/ Russia

yeah, CIA provided the planning and equipment and they just grabbed some local manpower so they can take the fall instead if necessary. Textbook plausible deniability. Looks like the Ukrainian operatives got away with it anyway with Poland's help (they are so rabidly anti Russian they for sure would help them and the US with this)
Look, it was 100% Ukraine ok? Sure they might've recieved training and equipment from the US, and the US might've briefed them on their mission and provided all the intel, and the US dropped them off and picked them up afterwards, but this is 100% Ukraine and we must proudly and patriotically ignore the US's involvement in this in order to throw this week's scapegoat under the bus!