Preaching to the choir here, but Copmala is going to be a disaster for the left.
Preaching to the choir here, but Copmala is going to be a disaster for the left.
All the libs will go back to brunch and sleepwalk for another 4 years. Harris will fail at everything she does and make life worse, especially for Muslims, and the left will be blamed for everything. The right will dig their heels in even more on reaction, yada yada, y'all know how this show goes.
I think a democrat that alienates the left is more radicalizing than a cartoonishly evil republican. Trump has unified all flanks of the democratic party against him. Biden held that together a lot more than I expected by being friendly with Shawn Fain, the NLRB, and Lina Khan. If Copmala isn't going to make an effort to keep that going, the party will weaken like it did under Obamna, and the socialist movement will grow as the economy settles back into low and slow growth, stagnant wages, slow job creation, rising rents and healthcare costs, and booming asset and house prices. The right will get more radicalized too.
Bold of you to assume she wins 🤣
Kamala is actually doing an incredible service for the left, she is drawing the line between those in the west that can actually even be considered to be on the left and the so called left, the liberals, now exposing themselves as naught but fasicsts. This line being drawn is incredibly useful as long as the left sees and recognises it, and pivots their strategies away from trying to ally themselves with fascists. Knowing the impotency of the western left, i dont have high hopes tho
But do you have high high hopes
What left. Americas left has already been utterly destroyed at anything other than the hyper local level.
The only left that exists in the US is the one you build with your comrades and your community. Mutual aid will continue no matter who is in power and right now I'm afraid that's the best we've got.
I've completely lost hope that capitalism can be defeated in time to take action on climate. Global collapse will do it in before revolution at this rate
Well, then we not only expropriate the bourgeoisie of their capital, but also their water.
eatdrink the rich
It may end up being too late to prevent collapse, but it will never be too late to get revenge
Humanity will be victorious, communism is inevitable, it's just too bad billions will burn in fire before it happens
This, this is my new fucking slogan
The only hope seems to be the US eating shit in a world war it started, so that the rest of the world can move on without worrying about US approval
This is a very long process, and a world War would be the last straw for climate. If it has a similar time line as ww2, then even if 2024 is equivalent to 1932 or such, that would mean an end to the war around 2040 or 2050, so another 20 years of hyper emissions and ecological horrors resulting from the war machines, before there would be a chance for coordinated global action on climate so, again, the damage would be beyond devastating and possibly completely destabilizing for surviving nations, global socialist alliance or not
Ignore me I'm just dooooomin
with all the shit im hearing out of the DNC its way less than certain she'll even eke out the win now. all she had to do was shut the fuck up and let the nebulous difference between her, Trump & Biden do the work but now she's sieg heiling away the volunteers and affiliate organizations.
Yeah I dunno, I'm noticing a sharp difference in reaction between my anarchist/marxist friends who are not into this, and everyone progressive to center who are ecstatic with slay queen/brat/memes are funny energy. I don't think the left as such makes up enough people to cost her the election on its own.
I haven't read anything that said volunteers are moving away from her since the speech. Could you post a source?
after telling the uncommited campaigners to go fuck themselves I don't think Harris can rely on any of them to volunteer or endorse her campaign. idk if they'll release a statement to that effect or not
Also considering the current age of identity politics I think there will be a lot of really gross and cynical uses of her identity. The "👏more👏women👏faces👏of👏empire👏" meme will be played out in some of the grossest way possible win or loss. It will be "inspiring" that she wants to be a helm of the machine that makes everything worse. I think it'll be uniquely bad for black leftists as I'm over 9000% certain that they will do the "If you ain't votin' for Kamala you ain't black" thing.
I also think there will be a lot of weird "DISCOURSE©®™" on how black is too black or not black enough or too woman or not too woman enough sorts of discussions. There are LOT of reasons to hate Kamala, and I want to say here and now I hate her cause she's an imperialist, a liberal, and just generally everything I don't like about democrats. Not her identity.
I think we are going to see a lot people talking about how it's either good or bad to be a bad bitch/brat (I don't even know what that means and I don't care enough about modern pop to figure it out)/girlboss when you're tough on crime or immigrants or all the stuff we hate about imperialism.
(for the record I think it's weird and perfectly shows how racist America truly is in that blackness sort of overwrites all other ethnic heritages and backgrounds because we hate it the most)
Lots of it in her speech last night.
CW: SA
She mentioned sexual abuse in her speech four times, including in a section where she proclaimed her unwavering support for a pro-rape country, and pretended that her time as a prosecutor was spent defending victims of sexual violence rather than protecting the perpetrators.
She's also vice president to, at the least, a weird pervert and at worst a sexual predator
It would just be Obama 2.0 but without the charisma and probably with less competency given how terrible her 2020 campaign was. Which aligns with your description. Liberal status quo, identity politics masking social murder, back to brunch, and ascendant reaction as material conditions continue to proletarianize the public while no left outlets for political organizing can (yet) sufficiently capture the disillusioned.
Things will be pretty similar either way, though. Ds and Rs will trade off and govern the machine in ways that lead to the same conclusions. Libs will go back to brunch under D's but that just means we can't backseat drive them. But that doesn't work very well anyways because we are too few. Our work remains, more or less, the same, and it comes back to organizing fundamentals.
Harris will fail at everything she does
She's only failing if you think she's trying to make things better
Yeah she's succeeding at becoming president, that's all that's going to be accomplished by this campaign
She'll also succeed at continuing to commit genocide
The Dems are gonna continue to lose legitimacy among the broad left and working class. The role of Marxists now is to provide an alternative legitimacy-- politically and ideologically. Various strains of fascism will be attempting to do the same thing.
The death of the democratic party is necessary for progress, but it doesn't guarantee progress if there isn't a real worker's party to fill the vacuum.
Honestly, after that DNC, I legitimately crave nothing more than the complete and total dissolution of the USA and for all of it's citizens to be put on trial for crimes against humanity
Yes, even myself
no more half measures walter
I don't think I've seen a more congratulatory display of openly hating the poor and patting themselves on the back for genocide.
Dems you outdid yourselves.
Unlimited Tribunals on the United $$tate$$ of AmeriKKKa
Ur so brave
Thank you
Honestly, she already is, or maybe she's the culmination of Biden's disaster. Everything has been driven so distressingly far to the right.
You're talking as if the US didn't just have 4 years of Joe Biden.
it's crazy how much it feels like nothing happened in the US in the last 4 years but it feels like China built infinity high speed rails, infinity nuclear power plants, infinity solar panels, started an electric car revolution, has a microchips industry that's only 5-10 years behind (and I don't feel like computers are much faster than 10 years ago in the US...), 1 genocide (RIP deserts), has several competing flux capacitor prototypes, will probably build a base on the moon and mars, has a theoretical bases for the constructing the world's first matrix of leadership, can turn geese invisible, invented Kwisatz blockers, etc..
...meanwhile we only got something called "AI" whose best use-case is mass producing spam and misinformation.
China is going to have like three Sputnik Moments in the next decade. the west will shit its pants in terror
The left will be blamed for everything and the right will dig their heels in regardless of who wins.
After this week I'm convinced they're not winning. They're too high on their own supply, it's 2016 all over again.
yeah it's still much closer than the dems are letting on. I'd guess that whatever the outcome, it's gonna be pretty close to 50-50 just like 2016 and 2020.
The difference is that Trump seems to floundering now, and has been low energy in general lately, and many right-wingers are getting tired of the Trump movement, and would probably prefer to go back to the conservative equivalent of brunch. Which wasn't the case in 2016.
I don’t get why hexbear has suddenly decided that kamala is going to win. Yes, she has a better chance than Biden, but it’s still basically just a coin toss.
They put his ass in the cube that's why
Probably because Trump hasnt been funny for a while so we have lost faith in him, even tho the election will mostly be decided by who can mobilized their base more instead of going for the independents
I think it's because watching democrats flail around trying to prop up a shambling corpse only to get owned in the election by Trump of all people was going to be funny as hell but that got ruined and now we're bummed out.
I think a lot of people aren’t factoring in the economic situation. Shits hard rn, a lot of people vote off that without having any form of coherent politics.
I’m now pretty convinced that Trump is the harm reduction candidate. The best case scenario is Dems control Congress with Trump as President.
I've had similar thoughts about 2020 in retrospect, except with accelerationism. The common sense was that accelerationists should support Trump over Biden, but Biden actually turned out to be the accelerationist candidate.
I'm starting to be convinced that we can't predict shit about shit when it comes to electoral politics, other than the obviously correct take that this thing is on rails to fascism and WWIII at an unknowable time in the future regardless of who wins
yeah I really can't think of anything that would actually be better under a Harris administration. Trans issues I suppose? And maybe reproductive rights? Although roe v wade was overturned under a dem administration so even that falls flat.
Harris would do nothing at a federal level to support trans or reproductive rights. Trump (or rather, his people) would probably try to pass more restrictions on both at a federal level but that would get tied up in the courts and would leave things in the same place they are now: states free to be as hitlerian as they want.
