"are the communists conservative?"
- guy who has never even heard of books
They’re tankies, which has its basis in appreciating the USSR and modern day China and some other governments that call themselves “Communist” while having very few if any leftist and communist qualities.
To answer your question, NO, they are not. Stupid and completely lacking in historical, economic, or political nuance? Yes, but that’s a separate problem and not “conservative” in the slightest.
Nuance means that The Adults In The Room that Make The Hard Decisions and Get Shit Done are nuanced when they enjoy atrocities because that's where the treats come from, but enemy teams are evil and subhuman because they interfere with treat distribution.
M'nuance is when saying that all the Nazis should get shot is bad and ebil because muh clean wehrmacht but all Soviets getting nuked is an acceptable political position because the slavic race is historically violent and evil (totally unlike western europeans though slavery was a necessary evil so it wasnt evil).
very few if any leftist and communist qualities.
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They’re tankies, which has its basis in appreciating the USSR and modern day China and some other governments that call themselves “Communist” while having very few if any leftist and communist qualities.
Cannot stand when v*ushites make a claim on being the only 'real' communists.
ButtTubers: It's only real communism if it never does anything of value for anyone.
completely lacking in historical, economic, or political nuance
I'd love to actually see some of the "nuance" these people are supposedly operating with, but it only ever seems to be whiny insistence that their perspective is obviously better.
I'd love to actually see some of the "nuance" these people are supposedly operating with
politic extremism is a horseshoe
South Park brain detected! We have brainworm quarantine breach!
I read somewhere that the CTH transplants were predominantly millennial veterans/ex mil and I was like "hey, that's me! Lemme go make an account on hexbear so I can see what some of my peers are saying" and the first thing I saw was cartoon shit on pig nuts, so I stuck around.
I think I've realized just now that the accusations that we're just pretending to be socialist is the same as how libs accuse socialist countries of just pretending
We're the AES of forums folks
“During the federation, the antihexbear ideological framework could transform any data about existing hexbearian communities into hostile evidence. If the Bears refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing posting limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most posting treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the trans communities in Hexbear were empty, this demonstrated that transgender identity was suppressed; but if the trans communities were full, this meant the people were rejecting the admin regime's transgender ideology. If the posters went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist website; if they didn't go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of lib posts to dunk on demonstrated the failure of the poster economy; an improvement in lib posts supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If Hexbar in the Fediverse played an important role struggling for the rights of posters, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire posting spectrum.”
masterpiece
conserving them nuts
thats right
I'd love to know what it is about society they think we're looking to conserve
A livable earth
tankies
Video games via FPGA emulation and 100% validated REDUMP archives.
damn libs can't understand we aren't going to beg them for scraps of our deserved human rights.To quote the finest mind of HexBurr: "I'm as conservative as they come, but I support the Proletariat Revolution"
I don't remember who said this!!!!
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yeah i'm a conservative, i think we shouldn't literally kill all white people.
fair
Oh we shouldn't my bad uh I'll still go first
Lib
Wtf is pro-orientalism. Legit asking
Not thinking the entire Chinese government need to be executed and the entire country "democratized"
That's the best word they could come up with for not being a sinophobe? Fuck me
Professional at being orientalist.
It's how CHINA BAD people perceive anyone not also saying CHINA BAD.
The entirety of libs nuance on the Ukraine war:
"Russia is bad because Putler is an evil barbarian that wants to eat Ukrainian babies alive and you nothing but evil for supporting it, nothing will ever convince me otherwise because Russia is literally an evil oligarchy."
vs
"Oh the Ukrainian Nazis? That's not a swastika bro that's just a norse run... Ok but you see that's complicated because well Ukraine is a democracy now and and ah yes the Nazis are only a small part now trust me.
Oh Ukraine used to be called the most corrupt European country? Well that's not fair who trust those polls anyway, its just a shame honestly but they're improving now and...
Oh they were literaly bombing Donbas for years? Well thats just fake news honestly, shame on you stupid putler bot.
Anyway its honestly more important to defend democracy! Look an LGBTQ flag in Kiev! See they're already more progressive than Russia!"
If you are a """""leftist"""""" that is your nuance you can go fuck yourself, literaly
as you cry about conservative tankies.Nobody denies Russia has problems but nobody should be argueing with nazi hugging dipshit libs over it either.
My new take on anything regarding even a modicum of nuance is that libs only have a memory that goes back about 4 years.
I'm reading through Inventing Reality and Killing Hope and both of these solidify this theory but especially Inventing Reality. It's so depressing reading something that was written 30 years ago about how media forces our perspective of reality and like nothing has fucking changed.
Life hack: Simply do not click the link
It's just a bunch of us saying "no lol" over and over
When I was in 3rd grade or so, we had a project where we were supposed to pick 5 adjectives to describe ourselves and a line or two to explain it. At the time I was super into protect the animals/planet. So unfortunately, aiming for 'conservationist', I hit 'conservative' and the reasoning blurb was something like 'it is important to make sure the planet stays habitable'. I still cringe thinking about how anyone who saw it (they were hung up in the hallway) must have thought I was some Hitler youth freak or something.
To my knowledge, this was the last time I was mistaken for being 'conservative', and I intend to keep it that way.
Reminds me of a radlib classmate in highschool who once described themself as 'reactionary' (as in 'I react to bad things and want to change them') and the teacher had to explain that reactionary means conservative.
lol I did something very similar in school when I wanted to say how much I loved astronomy, but wrote astrology instead, not understanding the difference. My teacher thought I was really into tarot cards when I wanted to be an astronaut
Well, all the non-hexbear commenters are predictably gross and nasty but op made this comment that's got me scratching my head:
This all feels so contradictory, you can’t be anti imperialist and pro China at the same time. Chinese capitalists are colonizing my country right now, we can’t just say “oh it’s OK because they aren’t Americans” the outcome is the same for local people
I've heard this opinion before from people irl and online and I'd really like to know 1) what country they're posting from, 2) what is their theory of imperialism, and 3) kiss my ass (jk one that one lol). Export of capital is one characteristic of imperialism but it happens downstream of the formation of finance capital, and monopoly capital exhausting its growth potential at home, and as far as I can tell China is not using its military to forcibly partition the world into mutually exclusive areas of exploitation.
Idk how to post on that thread and wouldn't want to because of the toxicity but maybe someone here can help me understand where this comes from (since "China is socialist" is not a universal opinion here either)
"Imperialism is when one country influences another." or "China doesn't need to use explicit military force, but BRI countries won't dare act against them, because of the implication."
Thus any sort of diplomacy becomes imperialism when the bad country does it.
Good old unfalsifiable orthodoxies!
although does china fall under lenin's definition of imperialism?
The only characteristic that China definitely fulfills, I think, is export of capital, so no, it doesn't, imo. I'm not aware of China doing anything that can be honestly construed as colonialism or neocolonialism, so I'm a bit curious what that person is talking about. Not curious enough to ask in the thread though, frankly I don't want that community's toxicity in my inbox.
m not confident that I know enough about China's economy to say whether its industrial and bank capitals are merging to form finance capital. Those sectors are principally state-owned enterprises or at least under direct oversight from the CPC, but someone in c/sino pointed out that "state-owned" comes with some caveats and may be more liberal in practice than the term implies. So more investigation is needed before I can really speak on that
On competing with other superpowers to divide the world into exclusive spheres of exploitation, I defer to people like Vijay Prashad and Yanis Varoufakis, who either bring a Marxist point of view or have dealt directly with China's development investments. They effectively give a vote of good faith that China is out to provide less exploitative alternatives to countries in the global south.
Anyway I'm at work so I gotta post and run but no imo, China is not imperialist. I'm open to disagreement based on facts and sound theory, though.
maybe they're trying to make third-worldism relevant again? would help if they had a more coherent way of saying "we would like to not be in any sphere of influence, thanks"
Yes I am a conservative, I believe every capitalist who sells their soul to the devil should burn in hell, I believe (class) traitors belong in the coldest pits of hell, I believe finance imperialism is satanic
Bourgeois class traitors will not be harmed
There's satanic followers that have more morals than financial imperialist, let's not be mean to them
I don't know about you, but I'm an archaeoconservative who wants to roll the clock back to 1491 in the Western Hemisphere.
I'm an arachnoconservative, and I've already begun placing my eggs sacs at strategic locations for the revolution.
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I believe that's progressive regressivism
the free imperial cities are COMING BACK jean calvin's legacy will be ERASED
It's a cliché trope to say you would kill baby Hitler if you could travel through time, I would personally kill baby Colombus, maybe with the lack of the Manifest Destiny we know and hate we wouldn't get a Lebensraum down the line (and hopefully kill two birds with one stone)
It would have taken more than that.
You would need a couple European voyages being lost and assimilating into First Nations in order to confer some hereditary disease immunity, plus some sort of political unity (hard to say whether the Iroquois Confederacy would have taken off the way it did without contact with colonial societies), plus a delicately even balance of power in Europe.
Yes, we are conservative (in American historical polisci, communist members of the Eastern Bloc communist parties are called "conservative" in contrast to their 1980s liberal, counter-revolutionary opponents within the party).
in contrast to their 1980s liberal, counter-revolutionary opponents within the party).
Also in contrast to the euro"communists" that make up the western communist movement
We're all here defending the Palestinian genocide... Or something.
Wait are we federated with Lemmy dot ml? I thought we were but I can't seem to get to that thread from the Hexbear view
I noticed that too and had to take the long way to get to the thread. I also noticed that the lemmy.ml users' comments aren't showing up.
I had the comm blocked, probably from only seeing askreddit tier questions back when federation happened
In my experience it’s a centrist instance. Trots are as welcome as LMs, and so are anarchists. Most users are libs tho
i had to scroll far too much to find the right answer
Yeah we're conservative.
Conservateez nuts lmaohaha rekt
Got em
Fucking horse shoe theory I swear to god
got an emoji for everythingThe name of this one makes me childishly giggle.
Hexbear is a conservative system, the number of posters is conserved, all new users are alts of prior banned users so there is no creation or destruction of posters
