Shortfalls in some of the military services' recruiting goals for fiscal year 2023 demonstrate the challenges that lie ahead for the all-volunteer force, the Defense Department's acting undersecretary
This isn't ideology, I think, so much as Zoomers just being practical. Like, they've seen what happened to the millennials who signed up to fight in Iraq. Every last one of them was extremely fucked up by the experience, and then they came home to a VA that is completely fucking worthless. Very high rates of suicide and domestic problems. Then there's all the problems with black mold and cockroaches you see at the barracks and stuff, shit like National Guard soldiers activated during the January 6 incident getting food poisoning while guarding the people who make the laws.
Like, who the fuck would look at that and think "sign me up"?
I think the number is likely a result of unsustainable military bloat also capitalist contradiction of not having enough people who are educated and healthy to fund your war machine
Please correct me. I would be more willing to overlook someone's service to the imperial core if they were in the space force. It sounds so deeply unserious and an absolute drain of resources. When somebody goes "well I didn't harm anyone, all I did was repair dumb shit" but they're talking about satellites then I'm inclined to believe them. Some v*teran was talking to me about how their friend was the 420th recruit (or 69th) and had the certificate.
The causes of the recruiting challenges "are complex and multifaceted," Vazirani said. They include:
A strong economy, which has resulted in many more options for young people.
A smaller eligible population.
Generation Z, the generation born from 1997 to 2012, generally has a low trust in institutions.
Generation Z has decreasingly followed traditional life and career paths.
Young people have fewer family members who served, which decreases the propensity to serve.
Benefits of joining the military, he said, include:
Competitive pay and benefits.
Career training.
A meaningful and motivating mission.
Funny how the US satanic army manages to find the solution to why the recruitment turn out is low, but private companies still insist in giving pizza times
It is not a uniquely American phenomenon by the way. Other NATO militaries are claiming to have recruiting problems.
One might hope that solve of it happens because young people today are better people than they used to be. But mostly it is about them having better options. They can get jobs where they don't have to get shot at, don't have to go away from their families, don't have to work irregular hours, don't have to be around fascists all the time and where the pay is better.
us army is fascist but a great number of its soldiers are just as exploited as any other proleteriat. we cannot decrease those numbers without having alternive means of survival.
i am previlaged to be in a position that my only option of survival is not recruiting, but not everyone is.
Its soldiers literally volunteer to take part in imperialism and jackbooted fascism around the world. There is no ignorance here, and there is no "they had no other choice".
There is absolutely no sympathy for fascists. You wanna be one of the good ones? QUIT.
Don't rehabilitate them. Shame them into fucking leaving and stop making excuses for them.
I'd agree with you in ALMOST every case. The ones I don't condemn half as harshly, are those from military families and those who get DEP'd out of their high school; doubly where they intersect. (Literally, the Delayed Enlistment Program is ALL ABOUT prowling high schools like the predators most every recruiter I ever knew turned out to be.) I was one of their victims, groomed by my family, then groomed by a recruiter to not think about the costs of what I was doing. I was a high schooler, thinking I was ensuring a future for myself in a future that was very quickly proven to be the lies of my elders made of nothing but whole cloth; thinking 'oh, I'm not gonna be near the front! I won't have bodies on my conscience!'
Then I ended up in a support shop, watching drone feeds that blew people away day by day-- to the cheers of the rest of the shop. The blood isn't on my hands, but in my eyes, and coating my brain. Leaving was the best decision I ever made, and having to remember everything I saw-- never mind the several losses of function I've suffered as a result of that service-- is the price to pay.
Not all of them chose to be bloodthirsty jackboots. Some of us only really found out what it was when we were too deep in to get out without handing over the time we signed a contract to give.
The US military is quite comfortably middle class in background and enjoys robust welfare benefits along with being housed in literal gated communities with some of the best public works infrastructure in the country
The US army has rich and middle class members, and also lures in people who come from poverty. The first two are borderline unreachable, the others are desperate for money or safety. Massive gulf in individual interests. Those ones in particular need to be carefully guided away from enlisting with better alternatives. We're literally just talking about Dual Power here. No more paragraphs or grandstanding needed. It's literally that simple. A low percentage doesn't mean a group of physical beings does not exist, Hexbear.
This is me addressing the entire thread because it's useless to participate in this a hundredth time.
i guess i was biased. i don't know how reliable this source is but it states that in the past it was true that poor income neighbourhoods were responsible for the majority of the military but it's been changing gradually in the last decades.
I'm trying to find data to support this claim. Only stat i found was one saying 60% of [people enlisting in] the military make under 34-80k, with 20% making less than that. If that bracket is what the term middle class means now then the term is officially useless.
Do you have anything else a bit more granular? My fu must be weak this morning
So the Wehrmacht was a Drafted army .. US Army is a Volunteer force ..
meaning acording to your logic ... Wehrmachtsoldiers is even more innocent !
lets reinstate "7deadlyFetishes" , ? or maybe we accept that you come with certain obligations into this world, and if you go on murdering other people for your Masters in a Foreign land , then it naturally follows that your "Non -Existance" is prefarable to your "Existance" (and here i include myself) .
They lose their "obligations " to you , ecause you decleared that you do not follow them yourself.
Theres no "eternal innocence"
The Bolsheviks agitated among the soldiers between Feb and Oct, winning the support of the Russian lower ranks of the army in Petrograd and Kronstadt, and elsewhere, was essential to the Bolsheviks seizing power. Radicalized Navy was crucial in Russia, but also it was the German Navy that basically began the German Revolution against the war credits voted for by the SPD. Burkina Faso, while I'm not yet as familiar with the history, was another example of the enlisted military splitting from the top ranks and seizing power to implement socialism.
I don't know what it would take to turn the American military away from imperialism and toward socialism, and I'm not in a position to argue for it. But your example of Wehrmacht soldiers is completely unmoored from what the person you were responding to was trying to get at. I've talked to people who served who have made good arguments for agitating within the military, and everyone I know who has actually been deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan (and there's def some selection bias here) is some flavor of anarchist/socialist.
"But Nazis tho" is not the level of criticism that will help us to build socialism. Relax.
where have i said that they were innocent? every action we take has consequences, whether you evaluate and come to a conclusion or just accept it blindly. in either case we are not absolved of the consequences of our actions.
i'm saying that there is a context to this. it is deliberate that the easiest way out is recruitment for a serious number of people. if we want to make it easy to dissolve that entity, a very powerful way forward is to make the material conditions better for everyone.