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It Took 23 Days for Lemmy Posts to Double from 1 Million to 2 Million
It Took 23 Days for Lemmy Posts to Double from 1 Million to 2 Million
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Impressive, I guess, but how many of those 2 million posts have a single comment? If 90% of these are just bots reposting things from Reddit with no further engagement…
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The content will bring in users. I try to comment on interesting topics to help drive engagement.
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I used to lurk like crazy on reddit. I had a nearly 12 year old account that mainly had a few comments here and there months apart, and only a few posts but ever since moving to Lemmy I've found myself actually posting relatively frequently to help build some of the smaller communities I'm in that have also migrated.
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Only if the content is organic. Look at !photoshopbattles@lemmy.world . Full of bot posts from reddit with 0 comments. Even if one of them gets a comment, it would get drowned out by the subsequent bot posts. Blindly filling a community with bot posts would eventually make people unsub from it.
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It depends on the content.
Some of content really depends on OP being in the comments, like AmITheAsshole. Just reposting doesn't give the kind of interaction that the original post would have.
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Ongoing discussion—i.e., comments replying to other comments, not just posts—drives engagement as much as content. If the post-to-comment ratio is too high, active commenters are less likely to encounter each other in the sea of automated posts.
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You're doing it right. That's exactly how to build momentum! 💪
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Hey! Some of those posts with no comments are me posting pictures of cute bugs that I took! I'm not a bot, I'm just not very interesting.
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That was my initial thought. The bots are working overtime.
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No doubt, it’s a chicken or egg problem.
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Well the same page lists comments per day for the same period as 11,083,555. A ratio of 5.27 comments per post seems fine.
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Yeah, a ratio means nothing if the bulk of the comments are only on a small portion of the posts. If 90% of the posts have 0 comments and the other 10% have 52.7 comments per post, that’s worth knowing.
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And when comments are measured, you can say 'but it's just a small group making lots of comments'.
And when users are measured, you can say 'but they're just lurkers'.
Etc, etc. You can always naysay everything. This is impressive growth.
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What Lemmy needs now more than anything is commenters. If the site is to succeed, it needs robust comment sections.
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Engage this! 🤜
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Assimilate this! 🔫
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Unfortunately it seems that MAUs are steadily declining as well.
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All I'm missing is the more niche communities to grow. It's good to see lots of memes and engagement but a man needs more.
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How do you create communities?
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Go to your instance homepage, lemmy.ml then in the sidebar there should be a create community button, or if on mobile it may be hidden in the ... menu button
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Go to your instance homepage, lemmy.ml then in the sidebar there should be a create community button, or if on mobile it may be hidden in the ... menu button
edit: accidentally deleted this comment so just reposting.
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Not just communities, but niche instances. Having everyone on just a few instances isn't good.
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Man, I really hope more traffic starts heading into some of the more niche communities because getting a new thread every day or there and getting 1 or 2 replies - if that - is not how you sustain a site.
Are there really that few people into cars or engineering or DIY stuff on Lemmy?! Where the fuck are my fellow car and tinkering nerds at? And no one does projects around the house? So few posts in some of the home owner communities as well.
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We really need more bread-stapled-to-trees content. That shit held Reddit up
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What are we waiting for guys? Get your beads and let's head outside!
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I think part of the problem is finding communities.
I search for things, but they all look so small I assume that can't be the proper one and end up not joining it. I'm not convinced I'm seeing the full list of what's out there.
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This has been super helpful for finding communities outside of my instance lemm.ee, as many of them may not be discoverable without 1st searching for the exact community link
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True, I think the "lemmy is so confusing to join" concerns are overblown (just make an account?), but admittedly the community finding part is... not intuitive. People really aren't seeing everything that's out there through the standard search if their instance isn't federated with the instance where the target community is hosted, or no one on their instance has searched for that community before. Having to go offsite for tools to find communities is a poor experience.
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Most of us are probably computer nerds right now.... And I think a lot of people are afraid of posting their own post. It's safer to just comment. But Lemmy is a very friendly community, so I think maybe people need to adjust from reddit a bit.
If you are reading this and haven't made a post, make one now. :) Even if it's just about asking why nobody posts in a specific community. Usually gets replies.
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Yeah, this is my experience with Lemmy so far: it has replaced the "all" experience for me, but all my hobby / interests subs are completely dead.
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That's ok though, because that's how Reddit started too. They didn't add subreddits from the start. So as long as it is providing an /all experience then I don't see why it shouldn't grow from there.
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Please give the names of the communities. I'm not a home owner, but I love cars, DIY and tinkering :)
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Yeeaah, where are these car communities? I'd post in them!
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I think the biggest problem with bootstrapping niche communities is that people interested in those topics have to search for and find the communities. There are a few resources for finding new communities such as https://lemmyverse.net/communities and the Reddit migration community, but it takes some effort.
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Yes and it doesn't help that communities change servers or something and apparently if you don't change the settings you lose them from your subscribed list.
Seems like a rather shortsighted way of doing things if you ask me.
Also someone posted that the same name can be used on multiple instances, so like do you have to subscribe to all of them? Why have so many? Why would that be allowed? Makes little sense.
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I found this community finder a few days ago, and its really helped me find what I'm looking for
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Link to these communities.
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What are some of those communities you're in for cars and tinkering? I was subscribed to both of those topics on reddit and am looking to join. I think there are probably lots like me who are here but not quite up and running.
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I used the Communities link and searched for cars and DIY and engineering and subed to any of the ones which seem to have even a little bit of traffic (in the hopes that maybe things would increase eventually). For car ones, literally just "Cars" and "electric vehicles" are the only real one I bothered to sub to. Tried looking for Subaru or WRX stuff and that came up basically empty. For tinkering there is "3d Printing" and "woodworking" but I think the woodworking one is moving servers so it might disappear. Also "Machinist" but there's no traffic in that one. Which is the case for far too many of the ones that come up.
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I think part of it is a discovery problem. Which, I know, I don't want some algorithm telling me what content to look at, but it's tough to find all the stuff I'm interested in just by searching.
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As I replied to someone else, it doesn't help that the content moves around. Was a post in one of the subs (are they even called subs here?) that they were changing servers which apparently would mean they'd disappear if you didn't change your settings too. For such a simple thing, you'd think it would be automatic.
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Those niche communities will remain dead for years (assuming Lemmy grows and doesn't die). It takes a long time to build these up.
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Seems like every major transition from social media platform reduces that length of time for niche communities. It also took Reddit a while to get there as well. But people are already looking for identical communities on lemmy, like the tree ents
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is it just me or is a lot of what a see are Linux/tech users mostly on lemmy, perhaps that could be why some niche communities haven't blossomed here yet. I'm really big into metalcore music, but so far, there really isn't the same type of community that rivals the Reddit metalcore version.
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There are sooooo many Linux folks here, it's crazy. Which is fine if that's what they want to use, but yeah this site has certain groups that overwhelm others.
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Where the fuck are my fellow car and tinkering nerds at? And no one does projects around the house? So few posts in some of the home owner communities as well.
I'm right here, where are you guys? Still looking for a good homeowner and DIY community on lemmy.
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We're near critical mass and the more we share the apps and website, it'll pull more people in. There's some resistance to leaving Reddit for many, but not much.
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Agreed. Having a nice front page with a whole bunch of things is great, but not having those niche communities is rough even doing the transition
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Suggestion: create a post in a niche community, and then cross post into a large one.
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The reason I'm yet to post any threads is because sync is yet to add that ability. But the moment it is added I've got a few things to post. For now I'll continue to upvote n comment
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Over half my feed is just low effort memes or auto posted arstechnica articles. Does this data include bot posts?
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Half the posts are also just people specualting about activity on lemmy.
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Don’t forget all the updates about what’s going on at that other site.
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Right? Even if half of the posts are shitposts, post quality and quantity is still trending up. The consistent pessimism on posts like this really grinds my gears.
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I mean I’ve been posting Moldy Memes on the memes page. Mainly just to share my ancient saved stuff, and to help boost the meme page up with more posts. I do understand the frustration, but hopefully more, active users will come around.
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My feed has zero memes (except those form !risa@startrek.website which obv do not qualify as "low effort"). I think unlike with Reddit, what you see if what you subscribe to. If you don't like what you're seeing, change your subscriptions. Not having Reddit force stuff into the feed is nice but it also means everyone is fully responsible for what they're seeing.
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I think unlike with Reddit, what you see if what you subscribe to.
This was also the case with Reddit, unless you intentionally went to /r/all? Or am I misunderstanding you? To clarify I always used RIF or went to old.reddit and was never force-fed any content from outside my subscriptions, when I stuck to the home-page.
If you don’t like what you’re seeing, change your subscriptions. Not having Reddit force stuff into the feed is nice but it also means everyone is fully responsible for what they’re seeing.
You make a good point, but I think here's where the current downside of Lemmy comes in, discoverability between instances are pretty bothersome and not easily handled unless you again, go to your instance /all and check what other communities other people on the instance are subscribed to.
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I would assume so. But I see quite some organic content as well, with good interactions in the comment sections. I'm pretty happy. 90% of what was on reddit was of no interest to me as tends to be the case with any large content aggregator.
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Half the posts since yesterday are people bitching about Sync ultra costing the same amount of money as a Costco hotdog combo once a month. 🙄
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Trying to prune and maintain the All feed is a huge task at the moment, especially since some content might be the type of stuff you want to see sometimes, so just blocking News or Memes isn't a perfect solution.
Having Tags for posts for easier filtering would be great, but right now sticking to a carefully selected subscribed feed has been easier, for me at least.
There are some apps - like Connect and Sync - that allow filtering keywords, domains and entire instances, should you want to try to control your All feed.
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Yeah it’s quite a game of whack a mole to get rid of all those memes subs and their bot content… it’s actually worse than on reddit it seems.
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I wonder how the graph will look in a month's time now that Sync is in open beta.
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As someone who never used Sync before, trust me, it will spike like crazy. I don't know why I never used it before but this an amazing experience. If you're reading this and trying to find a Lemmy app to use and don't care about FOSS, get Sync ASAP
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As someone who has been using sync for reddit for years, the app has come a long way and learned a lot over that time, and pretty much all of that is transferred over to the Sync for Lemmy app. The sync for Lemmy app really has a huge head start thanks to the Sync for Reddit app.
I remember when Reddit was releasing their app, they appeared to base it on Sync, and you can still see a lot of that influence today. I remember the Sync dev thinking it was all over for his app, since Reddit is copying his design and surely has a team that can develop a good app, but obviously Reddit stole a good design and ruined it.
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OK, convinced. Gonna try.
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I always thought Sync for Reddit looked cool, but never found myself comfortable with it because RIF existed, and I always felt more comfortable with it.
I'm now using Sync and it is pretty great, but in my case it required some UI fiddling. It looks like Material Design 3, but I feel there's something wrong with the default values for font and text size nothing that is unfixable, but just... Weird
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Would be great if all previous reddit apps went to lemmy. I personally can't wait for Baconreader for Lemmy.
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Apollo going to Lemmy would be the ultimate middle finger to Spez, especially with the false accusations of blackmail.
Don't get me wrong, I'll keep using Sync as it's actually good.
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Lemmy is fun.
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Lemmy does seem to have enough content and user engagement for my needs. I've noticed engagement going up the past month but wasn't sure I was making that up in my head.
I really haven't felt the need to go back to reddit much. But the niche communities could use a lot more users posting and creating new content.
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I agree but with more and more users, that will happen naturally.
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I agree with this. Plenty of content on All, not so much once you start doing a deep into communities. It'll improve with time.
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I agree with the niche stuff, but I will say I almost like having to create a post for my inquiry, and though not much engagement, what I do get is really helpful, more personal info from a few kind and knowledgeable people. So I think perhaps we should readjust our expectations and enjoy this for what it is.
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I would like to thank everyone on here for the last two months or whatever it's been from the start of the migration, and to the people just coming over, and those who were here already. I actually feel like I've grown as an individual in my time here. I'm starting to see certain patterns in my own behavior and working on them thanks to the content and the engaging discussions on here. I used to avoid interaction and lost all hope, but you are all really awesome. Thank you <3
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First comment ever on lemmy! With reddit and the latest update moving shtiff around, it's gotten to a point where I no longer want to be apart of that app. Not mentioning the money grubbing infants over there... So I'm trying this one out! Thanks for staying open and active! 👍
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185 comments are mine! :)
And 7 posts...
To the moon!
Also think about how many more lurkers there are. There are many more lurkers than people making posts and comments.
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Was waiting for Sync upgrade and finally I'm a daily active user of Lemmy. Finally I will be useful for the community 🥂
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Dead on. Sync being available makes using Lemmy much more appealing.
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Moved from Jerboa to Sync. The level of customisability, attention to detail, polish, and especially performance in Sync has not been matched by any of the other apps I've tried so far.
The three things that really bothered me about Jerboa is the intermittent crashing when viewing comment threads, the lag when scrolling through dense comment threads, and the mis-clicks where it seemingly forgets what part of the screen I'm tapping on, and it seems more bugs are introduced each update. It was a great starting point, not so sure I'm going to miss it though.
On a separate note, I'm hoping the Sync dev finds a way to allow non-Play Store users to buy the ad removal in future
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Precisely this. Sync was Reddit for me. Now, Sync is Lemmy for me.
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Bingo. Just got Sync. Now it feels like home :D
Just waiting to save up for the ultra 👍👍
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Sync is so good. It feels like the 'good ol days' of a few months ago haha.
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That guy injects ads then asks you to pay to remove them.
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He's allowed to earn a living wage.
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Ok
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¯(ツ)/¯
Good app still.
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I mean it's really just giving you a choice on how you want to support the dev. Either by having ads or paying for the application directly. If either of those are too much then head to another app. There are literally quite a few free apps available,which is fantastic, without ads. Free as in freedom to choose doesn't mean though you should be a mooch and just take and not contribute anything back to the community that you're a part of.
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He gets money from ads, or he gets money from subscriptions. Wow it's like he's not even trying to work for free.
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Having the sync app has made the transition so much easier. I don't know if the same level of discussion will ever happen here, but I'm going to give it a try. I'm done going to the bot farm over there
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The thing I find with discussion on here is that although most threads have way fewer comments and especially top level comments, I'm way more likely to get a response and end up in some kind of discussion than on Reddit where most of the time you just get lost in a sea of comments. Also think comments tend to be more conversational, less memey, less aggressive etc, just generally nicer.
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I'd take a smaller comment section over the bloated, "race to the top" comments that reddit had. The same five jokes over and over and you better hope you got the the thread within the first half hour because otherwise why even waste your time with a comment
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I keep hearing good things about the Sync app and I’m just waiting here on iOS.
*Fixed typo thinks to things.
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🚀 more posters less lurkers!
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I'm doing my part!
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Right now my modus operandi is to post once in each community I see that I can provide anything for.
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Welcome you guys, I ditched Reddit and made this happen.
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Thanks!
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Thank you prolific poster person
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Thank you for your service.
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Lurker here mostly but happy to find a new home!
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Ditto! Back to hiding in the dark...
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Same!
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all the subreddits i love had no visible immigration to lemmy so i will have to wait a while to see the change
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Why wait and not just start a community up?
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Not OP, but for me, the main community I interact with reddit for exists, there's just no activity there. It's currently the off-season (the community is hockey), so I think there's no point in trying to grow the community at this moment. Hopefully in the fall we can get some traffic.
The main posts on r/hockey are just links to Twitter, as all the news is posted there first. I think they may even have bots on Twitter that post all of the links. If in the fall we are still as barren as we are now, I might communicate with the mods and ask if that's something that they would be open to if I'm willing to write the bot.
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I get what you going to say but clapping with one hand just doesn’t work. I mainly go to soccer sub in Reddit and it’s easily over 20k people online at any given time. Here in soccer sub it’s only like 4k follower and daily active people of ~40people. No matter how hard I try to talk to it will be only to myself.
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Same here. How many of these posts are in meme communities?
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A few of my communities came over but the big one I'm missing is the college football sub with flairs and everything so I can discriminate against those of lesser teams.
The one here just isn't the same.
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How does a cumulative line graph, with a running total that only ever increases, possibly descend rather than plateau?
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I'm not sure exactly how the Fediverse Observer calculates the day-to-day totals, but my speculation for the dips in the graph is:
- Some of Lemmy's servers/instances going offline could cause the total to go down;
- Post deletion could also contribute to the total going down.
These dips in the graph confused people in my previous post, as the dips were suggesting that the graph represents 'new posts by day.' I edited the title in the screenshot this time to clarify it is total by day.
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Was gonna say the death of vlemmy probably contributed to one of those dips
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In particular massive bot-related deletions.
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Maybe posts were deleted or defederated.
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Post deletions?
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More posts like this. Data is beautiful
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So it seems like lemmy is still improving in content, even though the reddit situation has stabilised. That is awesome to see!
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Could you please tell me where I could read more about the reddit situation having been stabilized?
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Happy to be here, doing my part. Thanks to all of you, that made it possible!
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I'm new to Lemmy and I am using Sync for Lemmy but so far none of my comments are showing up. I'm attempting to comment from my browser this time and I hope it works.
Edit: my comments seem to be showing in browser but not via Sync for Lemmy. Can someone recommend different Lemmy app?
Edit: you guys are great, I uninstalled and restarted and now my comments are showing up along with all your replies that just popped up at once!
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You can 100% comment from Sync.
Source: This comment.
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Why have you posted a blank comment?
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I use Jerboa. It does crash for me on ocassion though.
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I'm trying Sync right now and it works ok for me. I find Connect and Voyager the best Lemmy apps right now.
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No issues with sync. Using right now
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Jebora is aight, but lacks polish. I don't think yo ucan comment from sync yet... I got a "feature coming soon" or something when I did. I think this might also work on infinity for lemmy.
Edit: You can't post links to communities with sync yet
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Connect would be my recommendation, surprised I haven't seen it mentioned here. It works well, and is pretty close to what the Reddit apps felt like
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I also cant comment from sync. It shows error.
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What does it say?
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I was having the same issues you are with posts being seen on browser side but I couldn't see my posts in either connect or sync.
They showed up later on tho and people were voting and responding to them in meantime. So I think it's probably just a server or api issue and not app related since for me at least the issue was consistent across apps
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Sync is generally working for me, but I find it depends on server. Lemmy.world seems to withhold my posts.
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Jeroba 🐁
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Liftoff probably looks most similar to Sync
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Testing
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Voyager is exactly like Apollo for reddit.
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My comments are appearing, but I usually have to refresh the post. I hope it's something that jldawson can fix on the app's side.
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Joined yesterday coming here from Reddit. My favourite app no longer works (Reddit is fun) and I just can't get myself to use the official app. Lemmy seems pretty cool so far, only missing a few subs that were not super large on Reddit but are not really viable here due to a small number of users. Hopefully that will change if the number of users keeps growing so fast.
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Make sure you look for communities from lemmy-verse.net in order to search all communities and not just ones someone on your instance has already found.
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I'm here for the same reason. RIF finally stopped working and I found Sync. Slowly but surely I'm finding communities that interest me but I'm not sure how to setup "a feed" just yet. I'm not going back to Reddit (it's literally becoming a bot and self promotion farm) so I hope to find positive ways to contribute here.
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I bit the bullet after I read there the Sync app was released. Now I'm lurking until I find the communities I love best... and it feels like they're already starting to spring up. If I had the time to, I'd make and mod them myself.
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Thanks, spez / Steve Huffman. Now do us all a favor and fire yourself. It would probably drive that traffic back down slightly, but we could live with it.
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Just registered here. Is there an app like rif but for lemmy?
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I recommend Connect. Been using it for a few weeks and it's only gotten better.
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There's half a dozen apps for lemmy, Jerboa is from the lemmy devs but some people prefer others, Voyager (formerly wefwef.app) is both a web app and just released their native version for android.
https://lemmy.world/post/2613340
This is my first post from Voyager native.
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you can make sync look a lot like rif
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Check: connect for lemmy, infinity for lemmy, voyager for lemmy, liftoff for lemmy
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Use Sync
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I'm sure he will be gone after their IPO. He's the current Ellen Pao. He's solely taking the blame for making all of the unpopular decisions that they decided as a group that they need to make to have a successful IPO. After the IPO they "fire" him with a wink, nudge, and a massive severance package. Soulless investors are happy (temporarily). Spez is happy. And slowly over years, Reddit's growth declines as the product continues to get worse, so they keep squeezing more and more money out of the people too stubborn to leave.
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There is also a very clear upwards trend I would say 😁
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Man, how are you guys keeping up with the servers and increase in traffic?
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Lemmy.world better keep up
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As a user, working on it!
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Stonks!
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I know a lot of communities are trying to get more popular by using bots to post relevant content. And generally they do a great job, its like an aggregator inside an aggregator. woa dude. Post engagement might be a better metric, but this graph is visually more impressive.
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I'm not really enjoying the communities that use bots to create posts, considering I have to follow multiple variations of the community subject matter just in case. The engagement is definitely more important to me and what I'm missing most from reddit. It's building up though.
The only place where I wish there was a repost bot is the BestofUpdates community (can't remember the name). I crave those stories and don't care if it isn't a human porting them over to Lemmy
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What happened on July 29th?
At first I thought it was Sync coming out, but it came out on August 2
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There was a problem with lemmy.world where it would not sync with other federation. It has been fixed now.
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This is surprising. Hopefully organic driven growth instead of bullshit statistics like threads and their stupidity.
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I think a fair few may be reddit refugees.
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And a hearty F.U. to reddit
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That chart gives me 2017 crypto vibes and I dig it
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Let's hope it's not quite as volatile as 2017 crypto though
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i'm seeing a lot more content here recently, which is why I keep coming back.
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Ya I'm surprised it moved that fast but that's awesome, be sweet if it keeps up the momentum and gets as big as Reddit.
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Well I'm not helping much, just lurking with a few comments. Hell yeah go us
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What's the story behind this defederation? I missed that
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Hexbear only recently started opening itself up to federation. It’s one of the old leftist instances that was around before the reddit api fiasco. Think lemmygrad but more tolerant and pro-lgbtq.
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Basically the powers that be determined that Hexbear "violated" Lemmy's TOS by being a little too right wing (their opinion) and therefore chose on behalf of the entirety of Lemmy that the instance should be defederated.
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At that rate lemmy will reach 1 billion in 184 days
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Are you nerd-sniping? Cause that comment is begging for an xkcd reference 😁 → https://xkcd.com/605/
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Someone migrate Qanon Casualties to Lemmy 🤕
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Be the change you want to see in the world!
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If you're affected, maybe start the group. I'm not affected (not directly), so I'm not fit to moderate.
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Echoing the need to create and seed (posting some example posts) for communities. On my end, the wiki resources of subreddits were some of my favourite content items, so new communities working on recreating shared pages and resources is right at the top of the list of things that excite me about Lemmy communities. ♥️
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Daily users have almost halved in the last month. Guessing a purge of bots or something
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I'm cool with that. The only bots should be the AutoMod ones to help weed out the bullshit.
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I approve reposter bots tho. More specifically I also made a bot to repost some content from niche subreddits to here.
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Also just people initially drawn in by fomo but unable to purge their Reddit addiction (me)
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Burn, reddit, burn.
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this isnt a social media home anymore. This place felt like a big home for all.
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We're doing the thing!
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I was sceptical, but it is starting to look like it...
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Thank for helping me fight my Social Media addiction. You guys made it look easy
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Very good, I hope this platform has a bright future. We really need more like this, out of the control of giant companies.
At the same time, I hope they will develop more features to make it harder for content to disappear if an instance every goes down and for users to migrate their accounts.
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Great for Lemmy. Glad it is doing so well.
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That's a lot of shit
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What caused that giant leap a few days before end of July?
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That was mostly me once I found out that Lemmy had NSFW servers.
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No idea why you were downvoted. There's two vertical periods that catch the eye. I wonder what those are, too.
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The first one is towards the very last days of the free Reddit API calls so the mass exodus began, the second is probably around the time all the apps were getting finalized for their beta versions of Lemmy - like sync.
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Sync for lemmy came out which was a really popular reddit client
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Sync for Lemmy maybe? That's why I'm here at least.
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Go you good thing.
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I'm almost purely a mobile user - as soon as sync enables post generation I'm all over it.
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