Trump Orders US Military to Plan Invasion of Panama to Seize Canal: Report.
Trump Orders US Military to Plan Invasion of Panama to Seize Canal: Report | Common Dreams
U.S. officials familiar with the planning said options for "reclaiming" the vital waterway include close cooperation with Panama's military and, absent that, possible war.
Illegal wars are a wonderfull distraction from kleptocracy.
Sheesh, if I had $1.1 trillion every time a Republican administration tried that trick...
technically it's not a war it's a 'спецопера́ция'
Ah yes, the fabled 'special operations' thing.
What did we hear from Trumpers last year, that he was the candidate for peace or some such shit?
They meant a candidate for 'piece.' A piece of this country, a piece of that country.
Ah, my mistake lol.
He was angling for the Nobel peace prize in Ukraine but I guess he figured out it was too hard
His buddy Vlad won't allow that!
Can our military just step up already and take these fuckers out? They are duty-bound to refuse unlawful orders.
And these people are fucking traitors.
25th Amendment also applies here. Orange hitler is obviously deranged and dangerous.
Even if his orders are lawful, they've sworn an oath to defend the constitution from all threats foreign and domestic: they're duty bound to engage him in the exact same way they do with a combatant from Isis or something. Donald Trump is an enemy to the US.
I miss when I would wake up and check the news and nothing particularly crazy was going on. Like you would click on the TV and they are talking about a zoo that recently got a baby giraffe or something.
People of the US military: look up "illegal orders" and "Nürnberg" as long as you can find those terms.
'Illegal orders”? Why do you think was the reason for Hegseth to fired JAGs?
“illegal orders” and “Nürnberg”
American and British courts, as a general rule, refused to accept as a defense the plea of obedience to a superior's illegal orders under any circumstances.
But why??
He wants to be a strongman and he realizes peoples' impression of him is nearly as small as his penis.
How optimistic of you thinking he has a dick. He’s a clean cut choir boy. Aaaaaameeeeen.
He is not mushroom shaped though.
Papa Putin says so.
Because you can’t really invade a place full of white people like Greenland or Canada. Even the diehard Trump fans would probably not be okay with that. On the other hand, a country full of poor, brown people that have only ever been fucked over by America? Well shit, we can’t wait to bomb them! George Carlin explained it, America loves bombing brown people. Anyone in the US military with the slightest amount of backbone will not follow these illegal orders. See the Nuremberg Trials if you’re not sure what an illegal order looks like. They aren’t even trying with a WMD hoax, this is just an illegal invasion.
Even the diehard Trump fans would probably not be okay
Given the number of diehard trump fans who wish harm to other members of the US and agitate for an internal war, I doubt this is true for the majority of them.
Give Fox News 6 months of their two minutes hate bullshit and Trumpers will be frothing at the mouth for Canadian blood. Americans have already proven that we'll follow a blatant liar into war if the propaganda sets the tone for it.
I entirely agree we shouldn't do it, but I don't believe it would necessarily be an illegal order to follow.
Invading a sovereign country for overtly offensive reasons isn't against any particular military law, it's just shitty.
The president doesn't have the power to declare war, only to do everything involved in a war, but I don't think that would actually make any of the orders illegal, unless they were to explicitly do some war crimes or some such.
"What?! There's brown people there? BOMB THEM!!1!"
Putin knows that one of the quickest ways to destroy the US is if the rest of western civilization abandons it. Russia saw firsthand how quickly nearly the entire world joined in to sanction and abandon them when they invaded Ukraine with that bullshit story. The Panama shit is an even worse excuse, almost guaranteed to turn the western world fully against the US.
However, it's also physically separated enough from the US that Americans at home that don't pay attention won't be directly affected to turn against it with retaliation, the Republican base is racist and narcissistic enough to back it seriously, and with a large enough power imbalance so unlike Ukraine there's no chance of a prolonged conflict.
The infrastructure isn't in place yet for them to just do whatever they want and arrest every protester like Russia does, so they do have to still take that into account, Panama is remote and unknown to a large portion of the population sadly. But the building of Panama Canal is something that many learned about in school as a pivotal historical infrastructure project. Something still in use today and referenced in the news even though they may not know where it is. For the America is Best narcissist, taking back what "we" built is an admirable goal.
My theory:
Panama controls a major trade route and charges shitloads of money for each ship that passes.
Same reason for Canada. The North-West Passage is melting and will be open year round in the not too distant future.
The same makes sense for Greenland if you consider Russia as a trade partner with lots of raw metals. Plus Greenland itself may have oil. Again, this when the ice melts completely.
The lake that feeds it is not recharging fast enough so they’re limiting passage of ships and making them take longer and more dangerous routes. So he’s probably planning to commit ecocide on the lake for the handful of years it can sustain the canal at max capacity but long enough to stymie other routes being planned or built.
Penile dysmorphic disorder
I could totally see this going sideways because they removed quality leadership, engineers, and soldiers via racism.
I'm sure the political party that rushed the country into a war over an obvious lie and then told soldiers they'd just have to deal with their Humvees not having any armor for a few months while they were being ordering to patrol around the IED capitol of the world will feel just awful about it for as long as they're on camera
then-President Jimmy Carter transferred sovereignty to Panama in the late 1970s.
We're literally just invading another country to take their property. Which to be fair IS a long rich American tradition, but gawdamnit it has to stop.
No no no, they're invading another country to checks notes stop the flow of fentanyl where 901955% of it flows through.
Please remember that all this is noise to hide the great billionaire sacking of america. Smoke screen.
Threats to other countries isn't noise... It doesn't seem appropriate to hand wave away threats to other people.
Feels like they're trying to overwhelm us with a barrage of shit.
The Drake v Kendrick rap battle taught us that refuting your opponent point by point leads to failure. You need to hammer your opponent on his weakest point over and over.
If we focus our efforts on his collapsing of the economy, will we be able to force him to drop the dumb imperialism stuff and focus on defense? I don't know.
Yeah I’m getting really sick of that. Invading another country isn’t just “a distraction”
Fuck Trump. I can’t believe the shit this useless rapist is putting the world through. He needs to eat dirt.
It's a matter of time before Trump gets us into a war on our own hemisphere, and when he does, he will impose a draft. I wish some "journalist" (there aren't really any left any more) would ask him about his opinions on forcing a draft.
I have a 25 year old son, and there is no way I'll allow him to be dragged off by the government to die in a Trump War whose main objective is to destroy America for Putin, so Trump, Musk and their friends can loot America. There is no way my son will be joining a Trump military for any reason.
Same, putting my kids on the first flight out of the country if I even catch a whiff of Mango Mussolini thinking about imposing a draft.
Wait. What did I miss? Why mango? He's orange.
I have to ask. Isn’t this just leaving the hard part to the poor and unfortunate? Why not have them stay and help stop this thing instead? Would you rather they come back once the dirty part is over? I’m legitimately curious, I do not understand, thank you
A draft is political suicide, nothing would get him off the white house faster. There's a reason the wars against China and Russia have people from other countries slated to die.
How full of explosives should we make the canal?
Yes.
What canal? All I see is C4.
(Edit: pack the ends of the canal with giant shrapnel)
Can we please just invade the White House and depose Donald? Seems better for America.
Exactly. He is the root cause of all of our issues. But going this route will cause a civil war - he still has many die hard supporters who are now unemployed and have too much time on their hands, not to mention the propaganda on social media... who will defend trump until everyone is dead. I can see some of his supporters stepping away if there is a draft. The upside, if there is a civil war Russia won’t be able to help Trump since they’ve been losing at their war for a few years.
Panama Canal seize, Greenland, Canada as 51 state.... I guess the 750 US foreign military bases are not enough for them anymore. Viva Colonialism.
In which case now is a pretty good time for all other nations to start shutting down their US bases and deporting all personnel back to America. We don't need a forward operating base in our country if there's the potential it could be used in such a manner.
i think at this point we can say for sure that puerto rico is a joke for them
Just wait until ICE arrest and deport AOC
Or he is just a blowhard
He doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on this and should not be allowed to say such stupid shit as if he’s just some guest on a right wing podcast. He actually controls the world’s most powerful military and can make an invasion happen tomorrow.
His threats against allies and sovereign nations should be grounds for impeachment and removal from office before he does more damage do world stability and the reputation of the US.
I don't think people on the global political scale should be given this kind of pass.
Well.
There goes the element of surprise.
Scream loudly if you carry a little orange dick.
Imagine sacrificing your youth and life to serve your country.... And you are given commands by this orange turd.....
There is no way my son will be serving in a Trump army, fighting in a Trump war. You know that it will be incompetently managed, with more of an emphasis on making sure lots of government war contracts go to those who have properly kissed his ass and paid bribes/kickbacks, rather than the safe and effective deployment of our troops.
...Are we the baddies?
Have been for a very long time. (love wkuk)
Wow. Really? Like really really?
We're now gonna massacre a bunch of Panamanians for a shipping canal? Fuck.
Well, now that they clearly have great OPSEC, I hope Panama sabotages the hell out of it.
I think Panama did say they'd destroy the canal before they'd allow it to be taken. I took a cursory look for that tidbit, but the news feeds about the canal are blown up at the moment.
If I had to wager a guess, destroying the canal wouldn't stop a takeover. Rebuilding it would be a fraction of the price of the war.
And don't try telling me that the cost of the war will be much higher than just the military occupation because of shipping costs going up from the canal being shut down, the cost of actually maintaining the place, riots, etc because the idiots who want this wouldn't listen for long enough to think about that anyway.
"You're gambling with World War 3."
“You don’t have the cards.” 🃏
If this happens the government MUST be overthrown. If your tax dollars are being used to fund the unjustifiable murder of innocent people, you're just as guilty as the ones doing the shooting. It would be better that we lose millions in a nuclear civil war than become the new Nazis.
If your tax dollars are being used to fund the unjustifiable murder of innocent people
🌏🧑🚀🔫🧑🚀
Isn’t the Panama Canal basically running out of water? They should act like they’ve been cowed, sell it to us for a ton of money, and laugh all the way to the bank.
May he choke on his own flayed cock force fed to him... but he's really quite the idiot. If he hadn't fired the competent leaders of the military, he could have just asked them to pull the pre-made plans out of the file drawer. I don't remember if it was at the end of bush's term, or when Assange released documents, but there was a period where the fact was being talked about on everything from radio stations to the local pubs that the US had 'just in case' plans for many of their allies. I would also put money on most countries having vague guidelines and goals drawn up for emergencies where a dickhead in an allied country takes power.
If they didn’t have defence plans before, they sure do now!
More proof the "deep state" doesn't exist like it does in the imaginations of the unhinged right.
The Orange Turd is planning on taking a shit on Panama.
Oh another 3 day “special” operation.
The title is wildly over hyping this news. He said to plan multiple strategies, not to gear up for an invasion. Of course the military is gonna plan a war scenario. This is not the frightening headline its made out to be, shock the military plans stupid ways to put boots on the ground, the military LOVES to plan wars. Click baity for sure!
I have no idea what you're saying...
What is not frightening about planning to start a war? Are you saying that you could take the canal without starting a war? What other way of acquiring it are you thinking of? What other strategies do you think exist? When you ask the military to come up with multiple strategies to accomplish something, you're really asking them "would we have to put troops on the ground, or could we do this with a bombing campaign? What about the threat of violence and an illegal embargo?". But if you employ the military in any strategy they come up with, you're starting a war.
I mean, I guess we could offer to buy it, but it's a cornerstone of their economy, we wouldn't like the price. And Trump doesn't go in for "bad deals" (paying for things).
So I think it is have that unprovoked invasion is even on the list and that is enough to warrant the headline. Even ordering that to be considered is unambiguously bent a bad guy.
However, another strategy involving the military could conceivably include providing engineering support in exchange for being favored by Panama. Violence isn't the only thing in scope of the military. So you say they have more than one potential military plan is technically conceivable.
While they do report multiple strategies and I'm sure that's true, the fact that explicitly unprovoked military invasion is even on the table at all deserves every bit of outrage.
Click bait, yes, but leave it up to trump to say the quiet part out loud over and over.
People should be afraid of what's coming
Called it. Can't be arsed to look up the exact comment but I literally said he'd park a carrier on each end of the canal and would do this.
Yeah, I believe you. This was relatively predictable from him.
Sigh... Worst timeline.
How does this pan out if one had to guess? Will other affected countries/powers allow this? I'm guessing anything from WW3 to nothing should be expected
Why aren't the democrats doing anything?
If thousands of Panamanians need to die to make people finally give in and support Pete Buttigieg that's a price they're willing to pay
It would be rude.
This is probably to intern us. FYI
Any time someone says they’re gonna invade a country, it’s likely they won’t. People who invade just invade one random day.
You weren't around during the Iraq war? They wouldn't shut the fuck up about it.
Hello. I've watched multiple invasions happen in my lifetime. We all knew it was going to happen every time.