Average day in Ukraine

We can't see these images they need to be posted as links or embedded into lemmy instead.

With that said I can guess the content. The thing that bothers me most about the way they want them to hide their nazism, as if it's just an aesthetic, is that none of them think about what these nazis are doing out there. I don't mean that in the sense of participating in the fighting but in the sense of the war crimes these nazis are definitely performing. None of them stop to think what kind of horrors the average open nazi in america would get up to given the wartime conditions where they can get away with it. These people are reaping unspeakable horrors upon the civilians they come across.

A lot of the young people fighting/dying in Ukraine right now were radicalized through NED-funded child summer camps that were covered in the international press before 2022. Even the Guardian has a video on youtube about this still.

more mobilizations including women

antiwoke tankies saying gender equality in land-mine casualties is bad!

It looks like there were 5 houses in the village at some point which have been destroyed now.

there's this village that they have been fighting over a the initial stages of their attempt to take the azov sea region. Their original plan relied on them taking this village months ago because they needed to take it in order to safely reach the begining of the Russian defences. So now they have it but it required three divisions and months longer than they planned for

so technically it's a success but the fact it's happening now and the way it happened is indicative of their offensive being dead in the water

Nationalism is a hell of a drug

• USSR goes to shit and collapses
• you give up your nukes
• you allow shock doctrine into your country
• you embrace capitalism, but you never rise up to your former soviet standards
• your politicians blame the failures of capitalism on a country that no longer exists and ideology that is no longer a competition
• capitalists in the west keep pushing anti communism into your country
• communism and nazism is branded as the same thing
• but then your politicians run out of heroes to praise now that communism evil
• government gives surface level praise to Makhno because he fought both sides, but is also anarchist so they can’t praise him too much
• last resort is to start praising Nazis because they wanted “Ukrainian independence”

There was a non insignificant segment of the Ukrainian population that sided with the Nazis when they invaded (UPA, OUN-B), mostly in the western part of the country). These guys very much enjoyed a good war crime against Poles, Jews or Russians, enough that they were willing to ignore the Germans killing other millions of other Ukrainians, most of whom did heroically defend their homeland alongside the Red Army.

After nazis lost, Stalin annihilated these bandit groups. He and Beria were extremely thorough in laying waste to the collaborators. However in the years since the fall of the Soviet Union the more nationalist/nazi-adjacent side of the Ukrainian government is continuing the tradition of their nazi collaborating ancestors and turning the OUN-B into the patriotic martyrs.

watch this .. , this random guy in 1990 explains it like nobody else has mangaged since ..

https://twitter.com/NinaByzantina/status/1580565535288307712

Every country has a Nazi problem. India has a Nazi program. The US has a Nazi problem. Ukraine has a Nazi problem and a Jewish leader, and it's being attacked by Russia, a country with a larger Nazi problem.

I don’t want to put a bunch of preludes and explain myself etc.

But man, you really think Russia invaded because of a “land grab”? Does that make any sense to you?

Nazis are in Ukraine, and Nazis are bad people that should be stopped

Yes.

Russia is using this as an excuse for a shameless land grab.

It's much more complex than this. One must understand the civil war, NATO expansion, as well as the cultural difference between Lviv, and Donbass/Luhask. With Kyiv kind of caught in the middle politically between them. Most importantly one must understand All of the things NATO could have done to prevent this.

Lviv was part of Poland. It became part of Ukraine when Germany/USSR both invaded Poland in 1939. It was historically Polish. Today Lviv is actually a hotbed of nazi apologia. Most of the monuments to nazi collaborators like Bandera and Stetsko are in Lviv. Many of the right wing militias are active in Lviv. Donbass Luhask was historically part of Russia, not part of Ukraine. During the early soviet period Lenin incorporated Donbass/Luhask into the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (rather than making it part of the Russian part of the USSR). During the soviet period this was fine, but after the Soviet union collapsed, and Ukraine SSR became Ukraine, the white supremacists and nazis (Groups like C14, Right Sektor, Azov Battalion, and their predecessors like the Social-National Party of Ukraine) began to push for policies against Roma, Jews, and ethnic Russians. This meant a lot of ethnic tensions with Donbass/Luhask which has a lot of people who speak Russian, as well as Roma and Jews. This led to separatist movements in Donbass/Luhask/Crimea. People in those regions who speak Russian and identify as Russian, and before Lenin, were part of the Russia rather than Ukraine, felt like they would be safer with their own Republics, or in Russia, than they would be in Ukraine. Crimea held a referendum to become part of Russia in 2014. This received over 90% support. NATO/Ukraine media said it was a rigged vote. Russian media said it wasn't. Russia then occupied Crimea to nominally enforce the referendum. This was called a land grab by NATO, it was called democratic support of a referendum by Russia. This kicked off separatist movements in Donbass/Luhask. The Ukrainian government then started a civil war against Donbass/Luhask to keep these territories as part of Ukraine. Donbass declared their own republic and so did Luhask. The Ukrainian Armed Forces committed a massacre in a trade union hall in Odessa 2014, burning a lot of separatists alive. They also began shelling separatist regions. There were a lot of civilian deaths, and Ukrainian right began to further radicalize, while receiving money/weapons/training through the NED (a CIA front) The civil war went on for 8 years.

In 2014, you also had what many believed to be a US-backed coup that put Petro Poroshenko into power. Petro Poroshenko rehabilitated a lot of the nazi collaborators from WW2, granting them hero status, and allowing more monuments to be built to them. He also cozied up with the radical right wing militias and incorporated them into the regular armed forces. He also advocated Ukraine joining NATO. Ukraine joining NATO was always Russia's "red line" since Ukraine shares a border close to Moscow, and NATO membership means the USA can build military bases in your country, train your troops, put nuclear weapons in your country, etc. Russia doesn't want American nukes right on the doorestep of its capital, and so finally, after 30 years of eastward NATO expansion, resolved to intervene in the Ukrainian civil war, to make weaken Ukraine, and make it more of a burden for NATO. This is why NATO hasn't allowed Ukraine to become a member.

There's also the matter of NATO expansion in general. Informal promises were made to Gorbachev in 1991 (which were declassified by the British much later) that NATO wouldn't expand eastward if he dissolved the USSR and the Warsaw pact. He did so. But NATO kept expanding anyway. Russia tried to join NATO in 2002 but were rejected, which could have prevented the perception, on the part of the Russian government, that Moscow is being encircled by NATO. Since they aren't allowed to be part of the collective security apparatus of the North Atlantic alliance, but the North Atlantic alliance keeps expanding to surround their borders, it was only a matter of time before they started to see this as a war-worthy provocation. Also the USSR tried to join NATO back in 1954, at the beginning of the Khrushchev thaw, but were also rejected, leading to the formation of the Warsaw pact in 1955, which was the Soviet answer to NATO. So there were a lot of changes to prevent this flare up of regional tensions. But I believe the USA never wanted to prevent tensions from flaring up. I believe the USA saw this as another war they could profit from by selling weapons, since it takes place far from their borders.

I blame Capitalism first, NATO/USA second, Russia third, Ukraine last. The nazi problem in Ukraine is (mostly) a byproduct of CIA-backed radicalization efforts in my opinion. Every country has right wing psychos, but only some of them come to power by getting money, weapons, and training clandestinely from the USA. I also view this as a European repeat of operation cyclone, which is where the USA gave money/training/weapons to Jihadists in Afghanistan to destroy the soviet-allied government there and bait the soviets into a costly occupation. I also view this as an extension of the cold war into the 21st century, except it's now an economic conflict between the imperial core and the rising 2nd world (China/Russia) rather than a conflict between Capitalism and Communism. USA was also motivated to get rid of Nordstream 2. America wants to sell its liquid natural gas to europe at exorbitant prices, but europe is getting it for much cheaper through the Russians. Even with the sanctions, Europe is still buying Russian gas through the backdoor of India.

invade Mexico and slurp up some new land.

lol wait until you find out how Texas became a US state

IMO, it really wouldn't be all that different to the US using the cartels as an excuse to invade Mexico and slurp up some new land.

that would depend on if the mexican govt had been bombing the shit out of northern Mexico for 10 years. Then your example would be accurate. Cartels arent the mexican govt though. And i don't think the cartels are launching missiles into populated cities.

Nazis are in Ukraine, and Nazis are bad people that should be stopped.

This is an official regiment of the Ukrainian army.

Not just "nazis are in ukraine".

IMO, it really wouldn't be all that different to the US using the cartels as an excuse to invade Mexico and slurp up some new land.

There’s no need to make up scenarios. The US already did this with Cuba, Africa, and the Middle East. Mr. Putler is just inspired by American policies like his predecessor Hitler

Honestly not a bad take compared to many others I've seen regarding this shit show. Russia doesn't really give a shit about Nazism in Ukraine and is using this war to secure it's strategic assets around the region that had been in under Russian/Soviet control for centuries before the breakup of the USSR. 2014's coup threatened any sort of cooperation in Crimea and hence Russia proceeded to annex it.