What's Mastodon precious?

If the internet has a future, it's on the Fediverse. We work around capitalism to avoid enshittification, or we let it defer our future further.

In the meantime, the Fediverse needs to get shiny and intuitive. The sign that something is cumbersome and hard to use is people saying "it's not that bad".

I feel like you guys are addicted to letting perfect be the enemy of good. Yes, Bluesky being corporate run will probably be an issue down the line, but if it becomes mainstream then people will be used to seeing .APP.INSTANCE and feel more comfortable with the fediverse interface, which I know at least for me was a big hurdle. Like seriously, the fact that the next big thing is federated, even if in name only, is a big step forward.

bluesky has made better choices - the starter packs and user lists are great for new users. They managed to add quote tweets but let the quoted person opt out of dog piles. It looks like they added options for custom algorithms too.

Bluesky will be enshittified but mastodon should be taking notes if they want to pick up people next wave.

The bluesky system is just way better. The local/fed feeds on masto are just wasted.

Mastodon is gatekept to hell and back, the technicalities of federation are exposed to the user for some reason (you already lose half your potential user base right there), infighting between instances means that you won't see the entire discourse of a post depending on which instance you're at...

And besides all that, bsky is not as "corpo" as mastodon fanboys make it out to be. They're on track to open up to privately hosted instances as well, and you can already run most of their backend stuff yourself.

People who genuinely think like this (as in, that users going to Bluesky is somehow bad, surprising or something only stupid people do) are the very reason systems such as Mastodon cannot work. And sadly they naturally pervade such systems, at a development, administration and user level.

"Write a bit about yourself to join this server and if we decide you're too boring and normal we'll reject your application and say you're a spammer afterwards"

Hmm I wonder why normies aren't flocking to these fediverse platforms, what could be stopping them, couldn't be the shitty onboarding process could it? Nah asking people to apply is the best onboarding process ever (obvious big ass /s)

It’s almost like the average person doesn’t care about the fediverse and decentralisation and only wants muskless twitter. Nooo clearly the normies are idiot sheep

If Mastodon wanted to be preferred, it should have been better. I moved to Mastodon over a year ago when the Twitter sale first happened. It was not great then and it’s gotten slightly worse since. I created a Bluesky account two days ago and it already offers exactly the experience I missed from Twitter before Elon.

Would it be better if Mastodon was good and the federated FOSS option was superior? Sure, absolutely. But, that scenario isn’t even close to the case we are presented with.

Mastodon may or may not be good (I don't use it), but the fact that it segments off users into different groups means it will never be a twitter replacement. The fact that twitter is essentially "public" and all sorts of people from different areas interact was basically the whole point of it.

Bluesky seems pretty nice so far and it has real momentum. Mastodon seems more along the lines of what Google+ turned into.

Heres the thing with federation

It will always be more complicated, and lead to smaller segregated communities. This mitigstes the network effect social media services rely on

Had to look up bluesky. Posts are called skeets 🤣

Mastodon is social media where no one comments or likes anything.

It’s like a modern art masterpiece.

Jumping from one frying pan into the next.

Isn't Bluesky federated?

I thought that was the FreedomBox logo at first. I was confused why Billy's dad would be mad at the kid making a freedombox to run federated systems.

https://www.freedombox.org/

It is very similar

After initially hesitating, I decided to join Bluesky after having previously tried Mastodon and permanently leaving Twitter. While I was initially reluctant because Jack Dorsey had sold Twitter to Elon Musk, I still created a Bluesky account. I later came across Jason Koebler's article on 404 Media, which validated my choice. His arguments aligned with my own reasons for preferring Bluesky over Mastodon. Link to the article: The Great Migration to Bluesky Gives Me Hope for the Future of the Internet.

Friendship ended with Mastodon

My new best friend is Bluesky

What's wrong with Bluesky? From my perspective it looks pretty dang wholesome. Could someone please elaborate?

I like Masodon but the user experience on Bluesky is easier and great block tools too. I don't mind Mastodon not being mainstream, it is kinda good to have niche parts of the net still.

I just looove how ppl believe that switching from one VC-funded centralised corpo platform to another VC-funded (slitghly less) centralised corpo platform is a good thing /s

Just because it's (partially) OSS doesn't make it good. The corp still hold all the power and might sell out, but at least they got free volunteers to program for them so the C-level could get more money!

(Now don't tell me that Bluesky is "federated". They still hold all the power over site rules and moderation. The only little concession you get is that you are allowed to host your own data)

Apparently virtue signaling about pseudofederation is enough for libs to "get hope for the future of the internet" while they happily lick the boot of yet another centralized "trust me bro this isn't going to enshittify itself, not this time" corp

Bluesky has its own federation protocol.

I think the hate for BlueSky is proof that it's important enough to work. Buhbye elon

If the userbase of mastodon is even remotely similar to that of lemmy, I sure as fuck am glad I joined Bluesky instead

why the fuck does no one change the trashass looking shadowed white impact font default text treatment on the meme generator

Twitter's already served its purpose. People slagging it off because it's losing money really don't understand that it won a country.

I had originally not expected it to last a year of Peon Muck's ownership, but hopefully it'll finish dying (or fall into complete irrelevance) by the end of 2025.

Lol

I don't understand what anyone uses twitter, bluesky or mastodon for anymore. I used twitter to follow companies (like CoffeeStain) or YouTubers/Artists.
Bluesky has some of that, meanwhile mastodon is just a circle pit of yelling and also the same stuff I see on Lemmy.
I don't understand what people use it for. There's no information to follow like company game accounts for games I play, and when I tried to do goofy shitposts like old twitter i got a grand total of 0 likes.

What happened to threads? I thought that was going to kill Twitter

Community owned centralized systems are the answer.

You can run your own relays, the obstacle is that each relay takes up many terabytes. But it's fully open.

https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds

https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/entries/Notes on Running a Full-Network atproto Relay (July 2024)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42094369

https://docs.bsky.app/docs/advanced-guides/firehose

https://docs.bsky.app/docs/advanced-guides/federation-architecture#relay

This post is a request for attack surface area.

Twitter was a vapid load of crap before Elmo took it over. I see this as a win if it knocks him down a peg or 44 billion.

I don't really under the hate towards BlueSky, did they do something really unacceptable that I am missing out on?

Eh... seriously?

Its got faults but it's currently where the big batch of users seems to be going and since some of my interests are pretty narrow that means a lot more to read and see in those interests (or it exists at all). That's kinda hard to ignore tbh. Its not right wing infested and I've already got elon, musk, trump and a bunch of other stuff auto filtered.

Feed the butterflies,

Tupence a bag...

bluesky is federated and decentralised too... i don't understand why people are having problems with it? maybe they just don't know?

The Twitter user base must be burned by, then kill 2 platforms before they can truly understand and ascend.