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dbzer0 defederation vote (results are in, we will remain federated but the offending admins will remain banned)

db0 and Unruffled have both been banned for reactionary behavior and, in the case of the former, DM harassment.

Due to these irreconcilable differences we thought it only right to allow the community to weigh in on defederating immediately.

According to this person "tankie" is anyone that criticizes the privilege of white westerners in the imperial core who have been privileged and comfortable their entire lives off of the backs of colonized people.

Further context can be found in this thread

https://hexbear.net/post/2484423

As always, use

to vote for federation and
to vote for defederation.

294 comments

  • I always feel that we should leave the door open just in case some of their users are based, or can be convinced, just like I was convinced.

    I was a Reddit lurker escaping to Lemmy and was already anticapitalist but just had a bunch of brainworms left. I didn't trust the "red fash tankies" based on all the

    stuff that's everywhere. But scrolling around lemmygrad and hexbear for a while had me scratching my head and wondering what all the fuss is about. Clearly you guys are NOT some kind of weird crypto fash thing but are actually very educated with sound analysis of history and politics. So if there are more people like me who are curious, then we should leave the door open.

    Of course, if it becomes untenable (like how shitjustworks went full nazi bar) then we shouldn't bother exposing our comrades to bigoted harrassment. Yes, it seems like the admin(s) are libs, but a piracy-based instance is always gonna have some anticapitalist lean, so it's less likely for dbzer0 to go full nazi bar.

    • This is where I'm at on paper the piracy sub should not be having the issue of bootlickg for capitalism you'd think that would be an untenable position for the mods of the instance to have. Hopefully some users have a moment of clarity seeing their mods talking shit about "those dirty communists" on an instance about how piracy is necessary to circumvent the effects of capitalism

      • I did, personally. The only reason I don't have a hexbear account is because I wanted access to a few defederated communities. Prior to that I had a blahaj.zone (am trans) account, but they disabled downvoting everywhere. Seeing that others didn't defederate from db0 is why I chose them. And because of the obvious correlation between piracy and anti-capitalism, which sadly hasn't held up.

        At this point, I don't know where I am supposed to make my account to avoid these issues. Hexbear produces some of the best content, but so do major defederated instances. Granted, I was disgusted a few times with what people say outside of communities like this one, such as the museum in Australia banning men from an exhibit. Damn near any feminist should be intrigued and hear out their reasoning, and then supportive of the point of the art being the exclusion of men due to historic and still pervasive exclusion of women. But instead, it was MRAs dominating the discussion with "but if the genders were reversed!" garbage and "this is gender discrimination or the highest degree!" myopic garbage.

        Lemmy needs a way to transfer accounts, yesterday. This is already my third account, after lemmy.world and blahaj.zone.

        I know the main suggestion on HexBear will be to make an account here. But are there any alternatives with good admins and minimal defederation?

  • I've been quite outspoken about how I think Unruffled and db0 are total clowns, but aside from the mods, I don't have much of a problem with the instance itself. One of their own users even reported db0 for being a bootlicker lmao, so they're alright in my book.

  • EDIT: changed my vote to stay, people here are right, banning the admins and then staying federated is a phenomenal bit.

    lmao fuck em. Anyways, for anyone who wants context on the dm harassment stuff, here is our lovely convo.

    The last post came in right before they were banned. I don't know if any response would go through, and frankly I don't care to continue the conversations.

    Also, the operandi thing was very much to tilt them. Anyone who has seen me type here knows I physically cannot type "you", it only comes out as "oyu".

    Further also, they edited their second comment:

    The link is to here. No idea what doomtown is, but the card art is neat. The pfp still looks like linkara trying to trike a pose. Anyone who wishes to continue mocking that pfp, go here.

    I've had runins with unruffled (critical levels of ruffled) before. I find them both distasteful. There are a handful of db0 users I like. They are welcome to migrate here, or to any of the instances still federated with us. The rest of them,

  • This feels like a very sudden gutteral reaction to very recent events. We generally get on well with dbzero as an instance, even if the mods are lib-brained.

  • The dbzero0 users have been cool. If the admins are actually a problem, then they'll escalate or defederate themselves eventually, but in the meantime their cooler users will have more time to decide to jump ship to hexbear. If banning their admins while not defederating them is actually enough to stabilize, and everything works out, then that is extremely funny.

  • I like their cool users and hope they come to Hexbear but the admin team is unbelievably embarrassing and infantile. DM harassment is completely unacceptable and as admins they should know that acting that way is gonna get their whole instance defederated

  • Banning the admins of an anarchist instance is just common sense. The good dbzer0 users make federating the instance and banning reactionaries on a case-by-case basis worth it, IMO

  • It's gonna be a tentative

    from me. I see the argument for defederation but honestly db0 is like the most harmless kind of shitlib and I find his contributions to the internet slapfight more cute than anything. If it were my choice I'd unban db0 with a stern warning or whatever, keep this unruffled loser banned, and stay federated

  • If the offending users are banned, it should be fine. The moderator on DB0 that caused this whole mess was just your classic internet mod taking a meme personally and getting offended. I still don't understand how someone can get offended at first world privelege getting called out, it's the most obvious and visible type of privelege that even libs and chuds recognise. To deny it's existence would be to live in an alternative reality and be even more insulated than your average lib or chud.

  • I think banning problem users is always better than cutting off entire instances. I do feel guilty for the work it causes mods/admins.

  • I don’t usually support full de-federation unless it’s extremely bigoted/hateful content coming from the instance. Libs being libs is just the world we live in.

  • Even I think we should defed from divide by liberal and I historically (and still) think we should federate with more rather than less.

    Fuck dbzero the Internet would be better off without them.

  • I swear 90% of the dbzer0 posts I see on the all feed are either /c/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com, which we could and frankly should have a local equivalent to; and /c/share_anime_art@lemmy.dbzer0.com, which is just Stable Diffusion pictures of random anime characters shared by exactly one person. Both these communities together account for only a small fraction of the all feed. As I see it, defederation from dbzer0 would have virtually no impact on the content available on Hexbear. Those few Hexbears who need access to the content of dbzer0 can always have alt accounts on other Lemmy instances which do federate with them.

    Average dbzer0 users have an opportunity to migrate to Hexbear, some already have alt accounts here. I think dbzer0 users should strongly consider migrating here or to any other instance that federates with us, if their home instance's administrators are so incompetent and generally unpleasant, and they desire to have access to the content of Hexbear.

    All in all, my recommendation is to create our own piracy community, make sure that users of dbzer0's piracy community know about it, and then defederate.

  • all the dbzero members I've seen here are pretty cool, and, as stated by many others, banning the admins but staying federated is a very funny bit.

  • the continual chase to defederate every instance that isn't run by a 100% ideologically pure Marxist leninist is soy af, besides a load of the dbzero users are cool. Like, what was even the point of federation if we're going to defed one of the only other (at least nominally) left wing instances on lemmy

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