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So we're definitely getting defederated from blahaj.zone

https://hexbear.net/comment/3729761

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brigading is when you click on threads that appear on your front page
- when you click
  Its not fair that proletarian people are more numerous than my PMC class!!! Brigades are fascist praxis, actually
- The real problem here is that posts exist at all. If there were no posts we wouldn't be commenting and dominating them. Abolish posting, embrace @a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net thought.
  
  The Alliance to Not Stop Posting About Stopping Posting grows by the day.
  
  The real problem is the written word. If there were no words we wouldn't see other people's tankie thoughts. Abolish literacy, abolish tankieism.
- 'Brigading' has always been such a Reddit term. People need to learn to adjust to a different way of thinking.

But they seem to be totally uninterested in doing anything other than dunking HARD on anyone to the right of Lenin.
Finally a lib that gets us.
- In our defense we do a lot of dunking by posting sources and trying to coax people out of saying silly propaganda things. It just doesn't work very well.
  And it's pretty striking how different Hexbear's tone gets when someone is engaging in good faith compared to someone spewing bizarre propaganda and refusing to engage with the argument.
  
  Even the dunks usually start with making actual arguments and providing evidence in support.
- anyone to the right of Lenin
  Forbes headline: Finance capital is turning Ukrainians into drug addicted sex ~~slaves~~ workers who don't own their own farmland, here's why that's a good thing
- Not sure why liberals have this thing where you must immediately adopt the worldview of anyone who disagrees with you, but I guess it makes sense for a group of people who bow down to their opponents like piss in the wind
  
  liberals_dont_really_have_beliefs.txt
  
  🥰

The elimination of nato is one of the biggest and most pressing matters of leftism in the world today. Peace and prosperity can not be achieved without it. Nato is the most violent and aggressive alliance in the world.

Death to nato.
- The most suspiciously fed-like leftists all support NATO
  Every 'NATO leftist' seems suspiciously fed-like
  Meanwhile, the number one priority of actual federal agencies right now is defending NATO (Specifically its image)
  It's so painfully obvious what the key contradiction of the decade is, which is exactly why they send so many fake nerd accounts to debate it.
  
  Because most NATO leftists are spoonfed enormous amounts of fed-provided propaganda. The best part is that they're more into NATO than the average citizen of their own country that probably doesn't even know wtf NATO is. One thing I found kind of shocking about the US is how little the average American actually knows about what goes on. The only people keeping track of this stuff on the regular were usually office workers that had the free time to care about this shit.
- Inshallah NATO will be destroyed.

They've updated that statement to the following:
Politics alone isn't the issue. That's why hexbear isn't defederated. The issue with lemmygrad was the brigading, trolling, and being ok with wishing death on the people of NATO (not just memes/quips about dismantling the organisation)
"people of Nato"
Honestly what is this bullshit. Don't be mean to the willing participants in the machine that spits out death.
- taking progressive language like "people of color" and twisting it to fit into a defense of the war machine, unsurprising!
- "People of NATO" lol
  
  Listen to PON voices
  
  It's heritage, not hate. We just want to preserve our traditional culture of imperialist gunboat diplomacy and support for fascist terrorist groups.
- Every. Fucking Time.
  Disagreeing with the worlds biggest and most agressive military organisation, one member of which has killed 4.5million and displaced 60million, isn't politics.
  
  The US has killed way more than 5 million people. It was the main force against the DPRK in the Korean War and killed like 2 million Koreans in that conflict alone (idk how many Chinese)
- wishing death on the people of NATO (not just memes/quips about dismantling the organisation)
  "Death to NATO" is wishing death (dismantling) on the organization of NATO, not the people living there. As with "Death to America," etc.
  INB4
  
  i unironically want to be nuked by a Chinese Dongfeng 'East Wind'-27 hypersonic nuclear warhead
- What a baffling statement. Are the admins related to Stoltenberg or something? Is almost everyone from Hexbear a person of the UN? Is aaaaaaadjsf a BRICSian because he's from South Africa? This brainrot of identifying with the nation-state is apparently now being extended towards a military alliance between nation-states.
  In many ways, it's just the polite lib way of saying they uphold the West and the Western project of ruling the world like any other garden variety fascist.
  
  Its just a sad
  to avoid having to nuke us despite us all having the same opinion on
  as lemmygrad. Absolutely pathetic.
- Please don't refer to them as NATOed people. Call them People of NATO
- "People of NATO"
  Is that NAFO? Because well...I might be okay with that yes.
- "You see, the Nazis were bad, and I get that, but those soldiers that did all the genociding had families and stuff and I am sure they also liked the gays."
  That's basically what I gathered from that admin in the 5 minutes I was over there.
- NATO leftists strike again, or were they just going as "progressive"?
- Usonia is out and Natonia is in!
- NATO lives matter ✊
- Adolf Heusinger must be protected from the mean pronoun-tankies, no matter the cost
  
  That’s what’s so incredibly frustrating.
  The man who was a critical component of the invasions of nations, including Poland; the staging ground for concentration camps that exterminated LGBT people.
  He was not just a “person of NATO”. He was the chief of the military. But no. Can’t wish death upon their kind. Have to be civil to them. Libs

People really don't understand how online we are at all. They see a brigade when it's really just everyone piling in of their own accord to argue and have their say. But we post so much more than everyone else we end up dominating a lot of threads. Which is very funny.
- Hexbear at this point is almost all of my internet time because everywhere else is liberalism. I imagine this would hold true for a lot of others as well
  I'm not even that online, it's just that my time online is so concentrated on this single forum
  
  Same. Personally, I’m a recovering terminally online liberal. Hexbear is now my home terminal
  
  seriously. what else am i gonna do? get on facebook and scroll passed 8 sponsored posts about the latest pyramid scheme to see a post from distant cousin about going to take karate at the wrestle center so he can join Jim Caviezel's Army of Warriors and be in the Sound of Freedom 2 Official Music Video?
  
  I don't even post that much, I just literally don't use any other social media.
  
  I lurked
  a ton before federation, but I have been there maybe 10 minutes in the past 5 days now. It's great!
  
  I quit reddit when they banned CTH, quit Twitter when Elon bought it, and hadn’t been on Facebook years prior for obvious reasons. Hexbear is the only place I engage outside of real life, everywhere else is intolerable.
- I wasn't pro-disabling downvotes at the time but god damn what an unintended benefit
  
  Can people logged into other instances downvote our comments on other instances?

We could say "death to anglo imperialism and its client states" but it's just not as catchy
- Another overly wordy leftist hiding their shit takes behind big words!! Make dumber statements to I can maliciously misinterpret you easier!
  
  ME NO LIKEY BIG WORD HURRRRR!!!!!
  lmao shut the fuck up until you learn to read anything longer than the title of a reddit meme you racist piece of shit
  
  death, and I cannot stress this enough, to America

Folks, learn what is and isn't political!
"Death to Russia" "Putin is literally Hitler" "Every Russian who hasn't taken up arms against Putin is fair game" "LOL look at this sick video of some Russian getting turned into hamburger!" "We can't stop until Russia is demilitarized" = non-political, normal opinions
"Death to NATO" = political hate speech

really hate it when someone makes an air quotes "trans space" then tries to slam neoliberal ideology on it like the overwhelming majority (90%+) of trans people arent socialists
- Aren't they a really a chaser space like 196 on
  ?
  
  so afaik blahaj started without them and the admin didnt know what 196 was or something? basically it was a trans space that got invaded by chasers cause of liberalism
  though my lore on this place isnt the best

Someone needs to make a trans instance specifically focused on trans people and not on vaushite nonsense.
- It really is just going to be us huh?

Death to NATO is the least controversial thing outside west.

It's a mark of how nothing can be definitively know and every person occupies their own isolated universe that there could still be support for NATO in 2023. The most graceful thing I can thing of is many people were too young to be adults during Iraq and Libya, and for some bizarre reason don't know about the atrocities in Yemen.
- They know about it all. The only reason they don't care is because the Victims were not white. The only reason they care about Ukraine is because Ukrainians are white. This was literally the propaganda they used at the start of the war that it's "heartbreaking to see white people with blue eyes and blonde hair getting killed"
  
  Oh yeah I remember now. I thought it was extremely weird because generally speaking as a group I don't think Slavs are usually considered white. Certainly not by most white supremacists. But then the war started and suddenly Ukrainians were white people.

Clear sign of a terrible community: Be passively okay with someone else saying an aggressive military coalition that has repeatedly invaded innocent countries should be dissolved.
- I'm tired
- How do they even explain this to family members like jfc
  
  The family members are also okay with it

liberals be like
how dare you criticize NATO, you can't do that here
and then in the same breath
authoritarians will censor any criticism of the state !!!

Blahaj zone was pretty chill before the reddit tsunami happened and r/196 came to lemmy.
- Understandable, r/196 is such a godawful place, i've always gotten really sketchy fake ally vibes from them.
  
  What's the deal with 196 anyway
  
  iirc it's va*sh's favorite subreddit so yeah

death to NATO, etc.

DEATH TO NATO, COMPLETE OBLITERATION OF NATO IS DESIRED
- Complete obliteration? So tankies seek thermonuclear holocaust I see.
  
  Posadist trots seething at being lumped in with tankies.

Folks we love our NATO hating trans comrades

Actually we love all trans comrades, it's just some haven't learned to be proper comrades yet!

Death to NATO

Is blahaj like a purposefully policial instance because I only see far-right posts on there and it seems to be like some uber-conservative group. Also, death to NATO and death to every country in NATO or that allies with countries in NATO. Any country that has joined NATO needs completely and utterly destroyed until there is absolutely nothing left of that country.
- I have no idea. I thought it was a trans thing. Like a twitter joke about all trans people getting the blahaj shark from ikea.
  
  I'm only familiar with the 196 community there, but the first thing they did was ban all communists so I can't say I'd be surprised if their anticommunism turned to fascism.
  
  That was my assumption too. I don't browse it but yikes if there's right wing stuff on there. How you could even consider right wing while being trans or an ally IDK but that mind must have some serious core strength to do those kind of gymnastics
  
  I would assume it to be at first until I see that almost everyone on that site seems to be alt-right
- Can you post some examples of far-right posts? I didn't see any when I went to the main site.
  
  I've only seen far right on geopolitical stuff, which is bad.
  
  The image in this post is one of them

“Politics aside, it was mainly their politics”

The NATO, the

Death to Nazi Arming Terrorist Organisation

Death to NATO

Death to NATO

NATO Delenda Est.

Fuck 'em? I still haven't used any other instances since federation, I just chill here and antagonize any liberals that come in and lib out. If people ... ahem [
voice] "want to retreat back into their echo chambers and flee from our corner of the marketplace of ideas", then oh well

I like the shork instance 😢
- A lot of the people over there have been very kind! I'd rather they didn't defederate.
  
  They deserve better mods, guess the folks in charge just didn’t want users to realize that we weren’t unwholesome 100 red fash seeseepee bots

Death to the North AtlantiKKK Treaty Organization

NATO delenda est

Death to NAPO

Death to NATO, death to America, death to all capitalist hellscapes

From reading through that thread it looks like lemmy.ca and the pawb one (I forget the URL) have already defederated from us lol
- oh damn lemmy.ca was quick to the draw, I remember seeing a few of their posts early in federation
  
  Lol they included "Calling for execution of landlords" in their reasons https://lemmy.ca/post/3326347
- We lost the furries
  
  We've got our own furries here

Death to NATO

to NATO

I say it with my whole heart, with my entire soul, death to Amerika, death to Israel, and death to NATO. THE SOONER THE BETTER

Marg bar NATO

There's a lot of cool users there, and I really like posting in their 196 community. All they need to do is take out the anti-communist trash.
- We don’t think that’s very likely, so we have !moretankie196@lemmygrad.ml

Update from their mode Ada
I've clarified my post. I was referring to wishing death on the people of NATO, not simply calling for the dismantling of the organisation.
Edit - I won't be responding to the brigade. Your own instance has rules against it. Pull your heads in
Typical liberal with no understanding of the topic when backed into a corner.
- people of NATO
  lmao
  
  tfw you identify as a natoan 🤑 🤑 🤑 🤑

You cannot kill what isn't alive

Death to NATO
- Ulululululululululu

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On the plus side, even they have a line?
- My girlfriend told me that blahaj.zone was "for the 5 liberal trans people" and I wanted to see for myself. So far I haven't seen anything to contradict that really. But I also hope they dont defed us, not even so I can dunk, but because I dont mind interact with liberals on issues on which we agree and on nonpolitical topics. That said, I'm assuming defederation is inevitable if it happened to lemmygrad.
- I don't even ever hear boomers defend the Vietnam war. Most of them say it was pointless. It was so disliked that it gave birth to any semblance of an anti-war movement in the US.
  Look up Vietnam sickness.
- That was the fucker in my post before. They have only moved more to the right since I spoke with them.

Death to NATO, etc.

Honestly federating in general has kinda sucked. There are more libs than I thought and the whole thing is just warping into Reddit with janky UI and server issues
- It feels about the same as /r/chapotraphouse did, I like that our bubble has expanded

users here can make an account over there; users there can make an account over here. who cares.

oh no!
anyway...

I think it is good when thr north atlantic traxr organization dies

I see this as a relatively positive development lmao
- I'm trans so it's more painful to me but it's not worth it. hexbear is enough - it's a lovely trans positive space with tons of trans users so we'll live. would be nice if they were less lib though.

God that person was being so insufferably lib in their takes.

They really need to explain what's wrong with saying "Death to NATO, etc..."
They always complain about that but I don't get why.

Lol I asked them a perfectly reasonable question and they deleted it, guess I'll never find out whether they really think we're saying kill citizens of all NATO states, or abolish the organization

Update:

Edit: link: https://hexbear.net/comment/3741329 (they posted a follow up. try to be respectful and if you're gonna dunk keep it in this thread if there's any chance of staying federated)
- @Civility@hexbear.net
- try to be respectful and if you’re gonna dunk keep it in this thread if there’s any chance of staying federated)
  That belonged in the original post, not buried in an update somewhere
  
  Angery lib detected

The admin's pretty much saying they definitely wanna defederate now. In all fairness they were initially against defederation until y'all pissed them off:

Tbh? Should've been less reactive to that post and let the libs lib. We kinda brought this on ourselves
- their communities are, quite something,
- I definitely didn't expect my dunk thread to blow up, so I feel like this one's kinda my fault. Whoops.

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