TRUMP GUILTY ON ALL 34 COUNTS
The 12 New Yorkers have reached a unanimous decision in the first criminal trial of a former US president.
Now watch the Republican Party of “Law and Order”nominate a convicted felon to be the next president
You have to understand that this isn't ironic to them. To them, this was not a legitimate trial and trumped up charges, if you'll pardon the pun.
The guy behind me that watches fox news all day because "he needs something to help him focus" immediately started spouting fox talking points as soon as the verdict was read. My younger coworkers were like, "no way, that's crazy" to all his bs. I just had to say, "no that's not true. I read the jury instructions and they don't say that." He moved onto insisting there was no evidence and Cohen perjured himself and at that point I was already on my way out the door.
He's Gen x, a landlord, new York exile, classic gabagool. Ugh.
pardon
heh
Heh, pardon.
Don't forget their party of "family values" and "religious morals" candidate who slept with a porn star while his wife was recovering from giving birth to their child
And by having sex with a pornstar he was cheating on the playboy model he was cheating on his wife with.
*third wife
And he raw dogged.
They were locker room felonies.
You know, on balance though, I think I'm glad that being a convicted felon doesn't preclude one from being elected president. I've gone back and forth on it a lot, but I think it is for the best.
Count #1: Guilty
Count #2: Guilty
Count #3: Guilty
Count #4: Guilty
Count #5: Guilty
Count #6: Guilty
Count #7: Guilty
Count #8: Guilty
Count #9: Guilty
Count #10: Guilty
Count #11: Guilty
Count #12: Guilty
Count #13: Guilty
Count #14: Guilty
Count #15: Guilty
Count #16: Guilty
No no, keep going
Count #17: Guilty
Count #18: Guilty
Count #19: Guilty
Count #20: Guilty
Count #21: Guilty
Count #22: Guilty
Count #23: Guilty
Count #24: Guilty
Count #25: Guilty
Count #26: Guilty
Count #27: Guilty
Count #28: Guilty
Count #29: Guilty
Count #30: Guilty
Count #31: Guilty
Count #32: Guilty
Count #33: Guilty
Count #34: Guilty
I’m so close.
I'm almost there...
This is going to pop into my head every time I think about the conviction. I hope you understand that. You are part of my life now.
Always have been...
i love this comment
When the GOP sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are convicted felons.
That's just not true
The GOP is sending their best
I get the sense that you've had this one in the chamber for a while
No need to load the chamber, they'll do it for you
chef's kiss
perfect
Couldn't that be said of Biden? I'm not trying to make this partisan but only trying to posit a hypothesis. Democratic processes do not select qualified people.
It's not meant to be taken literally. It's just a modification of the quote Trump said about illegal aliens crossing the border.
Wait, Biden is a convicted felon? No? Well there’s your answer. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
Question begger... Amazing.
Can’t do the time, don’t do the crime. Get fucked you piece of shit
I have doubts he will do any time.
He won't, rules for me and you, not for the ruling class.
They already let him leave. He's not setting foot in a blue state again either ever, or until after he takes office. Depending on the election.
Maybe not, but it still sets a nice precedent that there is no magical spall-trap that will be spring if we convict a former president of crimes.
Now it just needs to be done for something he did in office.
Some other Lemmy commenter suggested community service instead of jail time.
There's something very appealing about the prospect of Trump, in a high-vis vest, picking up trash along the side of the freeway.
Yes, the sentencing ranges from probation to 4 years in prison. Given this is his first conviction and he's a former president, I assume probation will be given. Though, he's still under a gag order afaik...so if he violates that or probation somehow, maybe brief house arrest?
I definitely want pictures of him picking up trash with the secret service hanging around, at the very least
he would turn it into a publicity stunt fiasco
Ok but while the secret service would hate jail for him, that’s something they literally have 0 capacity to protect him during
Says he’ll likely just pay a fine. “Can afford the fine, can do the crime” is more like it.
|Get fucked!
Rule of 34 charges.
Holy shit.
He was a former president. The prosecution would never have gone to trial without a watertight case.
Sure, but I still didn't expect the jury to be unanimous and especially not on all counts. Glad they were though :-)
He'll appeal.
Doesn’t mean he’ll get what he wants though
LOCK HIM UP
Do you guys think this matters to his voters/supporters?
Everyone talks about his base as an unmoving monolith. But to get elected, he needs more than his base. He needs the fence sitters. Many of these people may be very ill informed about all the corruption in his original administration and his business dealings. This result will make a big difference to them because it's simple to understand. He's a convicted felon.
34 times no less.
This. There's a lot of components to his base.
This is not a good outcome for his campaign.
To many of them, no. To some who would have voted for him, maybe yes.
There's some evidence to suggest he'll lose significant support: https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/48654-would-donald-trump-conviction-move-his-voters-evidence-from-past-present-bill-clinton-polls
But hard to know for sure.
I'm making a called shot of a drop into the 40's for July's polling.
He wont' drop below 25%, ever. That's his core. They may never support another candidate again.
However, dropping to high 30's low 40's only puts Trump back to par with Biden. Hardly a W, but at lease Biden would be back in the running.
I suspect some people will mental gymnastics themselves into thinking this isn't a serious crime, and stipulating an abstract 'serious crime' yields more extreme results than we'll see as a result of this verdict.
But a few percentage point swing in a few key states is enough to ensure a Biden victory, so it may be enough.
That's before Facebook and Fox News kicks in though.
They can rewrite people's brains.
The end of the article after discussing the failure of the impeachment of Clinton to actually change polls despite a difference in the hypothetical poll question before it occurred:
“It’s possible for people to say a conviction would change their minds, but when/if [a conviction] happens, it’s possible (even likely) that it won’t matter at all."
I think "all 34 counts" is more meaningful than 33 out 34 or anything less.
Any truly room temperature IQ folks out there can maybe see the light. Maybe.
Or they see it as "See? The courts are obviously corrupted. Not even one count was innocent? There's no way he committed THAT much crime."
Anecdotal… we drove through rural Ohio a few weeks ago. In several hours of travel we only saw ONE trump sign. The same place in 2016 or 2020 would have been full of them. Regardless of the impact of this, the enthusiasm is dead. There might be “maga guys” on Twitter but they’re largely disengaged in real life.
If you sneak into their safe spaces online you can definitely tell they are unmotivated compared to 4-8 years ago.
They liked Trump because he bullied others publicly. They don't want to side with the guy currently getting bullied, goes against their survival instinct.
I was just in South Arkansas for a few days, and only saw one flag, and no bumper stickers for trump
I drove there a few hours ago and saw like 4. But that’s definitely less than even last year
All the people in my development that had them up still have the signs from 2020 going strong... It's still pretty split from talking with neighbors. One person near me is in business selling heavy equipment and they're looking forward to trump because they feel they sell more equipment when republicans are in office. I guess that's a viewpoint.... For sure.
My gut feeling is there's nothing in this world that will sway his core supporters. Those rabid mouth-breathing dumbass kool-aid drinking dipshits would disown their own children if they thought one of them voted for a democrat.
However, I think it could sway a lot of swing voters away from Trump. In American elections for POTUS, swing voters are extremely important.
Unfortunately, Biden is fucking up so bad on foreign policy (Gaza) that will lose Biden a lot of swing voters, too. Still anybody's race is my guess.
This is just all my gut. It's hard to trust polls anymore.
Swing voters either dgaf about Gaza or are in favor of what Israel is doing. Gaza hurts Biden with his base.
Anyone who gives a shit about Gaza probably should try to ensure the country doesn't elect a Muslim Ban guy who wants to accelerate the genocide and deport anyone protesting it.
Fuck off to Nick Fuentes then.
FYI: Those leftists are right wing trolls under a false flag, exactly like those “Biden takes 100% blame for Israel’s every action” guys. They come from /pol and Telegram.
1 in 6 say it could change their mind https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/one-in-six-voters-say-trump-verdict-could-change-their-minds-ahead-of-tight-election-poll-finds/ar-BB1nl6y2
I wonder how many of those 1 in 6 just want the fighting to stop instead of caring about either side.
This matters to intelligent, educated, and critically-thinking people. So, no, it doesn’t matter to his sycophants.
Doubt it, but I don't care. They are basically a cult at this point, no rational thought.
This matters to everyone else. And it could keep him from being president again.
It emboldens his supporters because they believe the "deep state", "witch hunt", "Democrats paid off the jury" etc according to social media now.
I could see Biden dropping out of the debate also saying "I don't debate felons".
I doubt Biden would use this as an excuse to drop out of the debate. His campaign thinks the debate will help him more than Trump, and they’re probably right. Outside of his diehard supporters and people keeping up with politics, most voters haven’t heard Trump speak at length since the end of his presidency. The debate is an opportunity to remind them how fucking weird he is.
Maybe his core supporters, but past elections have shown that he can't win the popular vote. He is dependent on swing states where there are more people on the fence, and this might be enough.
I think a lot of his supporters are mostly burnt out on him. Even the hardliners are really just in this for the Wrestlemania storyline quality and this guy isn't entertaining anymore, he just has legal bullshit around him, he says the same catchphrases all the time, he's looking older and more haggard than we've ever seen, and conservatives are super fixated on superficial appearances.
I don't think we're "safe" by any means, but I think a lot of people are going to fall off and it might make a large difference.
matter to them? yeah of course
Im expecting another insurrection soon..
Maybe this time the government will send riot police instead of doormen
Does it matter if it matters to them? They are beyond the pale since years.
Fuck 'em.
Not many, but perhaps enough to make a difference in the handful of swing states.
Some of them yes, some of them no.
I think this will only strengthen his core supporters because they'll view him as a martyr. It might push away some people on the fence. But I think the martyrdom angle and the increased media spotlight could pull some people back in. Personally I think it probably won't make a difference overall. All publicity is good publicity.
Martyrs gotta die
Nah. I could see this actually being a positive to his brain-dead supporters.
Nope, it's just going to be more proof that he's the guy to take on the 'deep state' and so on in their minds.
It emboldens them because he already painted himself the victim, the outsider. He literally called it a witch hunt.
Holy crap... Did you guys read the bottom bit about Georgia voters?
"Another man Bob, playing with his bluegrass band outside a café, was more sure. He wanted a positive outcome for Donald Trump and said a conviction would not change his mind. What would?
“If he was convicted of murder, I'd be like that's not a guy I want to go for!” "
Not surprised, tbh, but I still find it ridiculous to read.
Ready for nothing to happen?
To be fair, I’d never thought he’d get this far. So maybe, just maybe, at least in an alternate universe, justice will actually be served. 🤞
The article says that a fine is more likely than prison time. So he'll sell a few more hats, collect some donations from his base, and be good to go.
On a 34 felony count conviction?
Everything that needed to happen already happened.
This is going to get punted through appeals and yeah, nothing of substance is going to happen
Trump's civil trials: Half a billion in fines, lost ability to do business in New York.
Trump's Jan 6 Federal case: stuck with SCOTUS deciding on presidential immunity by looking at polls in September.
Trump's Stolent document case: postponed until an inept judge can figure out how to have a trial where one of the exhibits is "stolen plans to assassinat all current world leaders: CIA, do not distribute" without all world leaders catching wind.
Trump's Georga interference case: Trying to get the other 10 defendants guilty before going after Trump
This was the only case that could have given him prison time before the election. Let's see the judge screw it up.
I wish that misuse of charity funds, and running a fraudulent University, verdicts where more in the spot light.
I doubt he goes to prison. People who get in trouble for this sorta thing tend to not go to prison. But then again, this one involves a presidential election, so there is a chance.
Its been a bizarre case because someones already bloody gone to prison for it, the guy he ordered to make the payments. And then they just...chose not to care about trumps involvement.
where one of the exhibits is "stolen plans to assassinat all current world leaders: CIA, do not distribute" without all world leaders catching wind.
You know, if he showed something like this, then it's not that bad.
It doesn’t have to be prison, nobody really expects this trial will end with a prison sentence. I hope they find something way more helpful as this conviction was for election interference.
This was the only case that could have given him prison time before the election.
No judge in this country is sending a geriatric, senile, former president, beloved by a not-small segment of America, (a heavily armed and unstable segment) to prison. No judge is going to want that much attention and danger on themselves, nor will they want the historical scrutiny that will be cast on them for the rest of their lives. To say nothing of the guilt of starting civil unrest and deaths that will result.
Shit ain't fair. We gotta deal and get on with it.
This is only going to be considered by the swing voters come the election.
Die hard Trumpers will double down. Die hard Republicans would never vote for a Democrat, so better a felon than a Liberal. Die hard Democrats would never have voted for him anyway.
People who flip between the two parties now have another thing to consider when casting their votes, and only their internal compass will direct them to Trump or Biden
I think the best we can hope for is house arrest, which would still be really good since he couldn't campaign. I doubt he will go to prison even though it would be amazing and hilarious to see him in those paper thin orange prison jump suits. He could be roommates with Nicholas Tartaglione, but I can only get so optimistic
Sentencing isn't until July 11th, and he's still going to appeal. I don't have high hopes for seeing him in prison before the election.
Something to keep in mind is that as of right now, he is guilty. If sentencing decides he goes to jail (very unlikely), they do not have to let him go free while the appeal takes place.
More likely though, is that he'll be bound by the terms of probation. Which is potentially hilarious, since it means the probation officer can enter his home at will, send him to jail if he knowingly communicates with a felon, and can deny his requests to leave the jurisdiction he was convicted in essentially at will. He needs to be available to be interviewed by the probation at their discretion anywhere he is, and the probation officer can deny his living arrangements if they believe it creates a risk of a prohibited behavior.
It's unlikely, but a particularly vindictive parole officer could make a very legitimate argument that attending the convention where they vote on making Trump the Republican candidate must be denied due to the likelihood of associating with known felons or former criminal associates related to his conviction.
If would be petty, but it's not like anyone has put much care into abuse in the probation and parole system before, so...
I’m ok with being petty against a bigoted piece of garbage who is trying to get people killed.
There was always a 0% chance that a Trump went to prison for this trial. He'll get a slap on the wrist. This is the least severe crime he's accused of, to be quite frank.
Is an appeal after a jury trial possible? I thought i had heard it was final?
Nope. The point of an appeal is to claim that there were unfair circumstances that resulted in an unfair verdict.
So he can appeal all the way to the state Supreme Court afaik.
Almost nobody gets imprisoned for this charge, I'd be shocked if he gets prison here.
Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene blasted the "SHAM trial" on X. "You don't see this level of corruption in a banana republic", she wrote, directing people to a Trump fundraiser.
I don't know I've seen such a direct example of, " I'm saying this so that you will give us money", as this in a while.
Why are people so happy to be part of a scam? What do they expect their money will do? Is it a metric republicans use to compare to each other? 🤷
I have never read a headline that connected with me on such a deeply visceral level.
Kissenger finally dying was close. Probably be similar for me when Cheney, Gingrich and McConnell go too.
When McConnell bites it, I'm walking out of the kitchen at work and into the bar and buying everyone a round, along with myself. That will truly be a day of celebration.
For me that was when Ruth Bader Ginsberg died in the last year of Trump's presidency, what an awful day.
This headline heals s tiny bit of that wound.
I am so happy
The whole front page of c/news is going to be just this story, isn't it?
I'm not complaining, I'm just saying...
Expect to see memes about it too in other communities. This'll be the front page of most fediverse instances in some fashion for the rest of the day I imagine
The top post in music is Alice Cooper's "Guilty"
The front page of All was filled with it immediately lol
What happens to the jury now? I almost wonder if they need something equivalent to witness protection, or at a bare minimum some protection from the state of New York. MAGA is a terrorist organization that preaches swift, bloody retribution against dissidents. I don't know if basic juror anonymity will be enough to protect all of them.
Are the juror's identities out there? I don't actually know.
They’re kept anonymous, and also their identifying info like appearance and employer are protected. During the jury selection some prospective jurors were identified based on their work and a general description, which is why the judge added a ban on sharing that information.
Names are always kept confidential, but there is identifying information out there like their professions and general areas they live. MAGA was also able to figure out jury identities earlier in the case, and it's certain they will at least be trying. If it was me on that jury, I'd prefer a preventative measure.
Sentencing on July 11
The whole flippin' world will be watching that live.
It'll be some fines that he'll pay for by grifting his cult.
And watch me break 'em with the 7, 7-11, 7-11, 7, even back do’ lil joe.
Folks…
Today was a good day.
Well that didn't take long.
Same thing happened with his other trials. A fast verdict from the jury means the case was completely air-tight solid to the jurors. He was so clearly guilty that there was nothing to even discuss
The average US president has been convicted of 0.73 felonies
Today is a good day
Absolutely.
This stinks! Oh sorry, I'm on the toilet. The verdict is actually quite welcome.
We can start calling him 34 now.
Ike was the last good Republican. Ironic AF.
My favorite part about the aftermath of this is that Convicted Felon Trump won't be able to vote for himself in the election 🥰
Except he will. Florida doesn't allow convicted felons to vote unless it's a state felony that would not prevent them from voting in the state where it was charged - and New York doesn't strip felons of voting rights.
Even if they did, Florida voting rights can be restored by the governor and a review board appointed solely by him. Despite their history of personal conflict, don't think for a second that DeSantis wouldn't capitalize on the boost with his political base from handing Donald Trump the voting booth photo op as a personal gift.
FML you're right :( just saw this pop up in a news feed. Party of law and order at work
I wonder if he will try to run, wouldn't that be funny
That would be awesome. He should totally go for it: claim the court isn't legitimate or binding or whatever, and just try to ignore it.
He'd be a fool to try to run. Because nothing is going to happen to him with these convictions anyway. The vast majority of his supported will just wave it away as "persecution!" And his team will just drag it through the appeals courts all the way up to the US supreme Court, which in their flagrantly bias wisdom will just dismiss the charges for him.
That would be amazing
From what I understand, there's nothing preventing him from running, or even winning, or even serving time while being president.
Politics aside, it'd be funny as shit if secret service had to undergo special training with shivs to protect him from prison gangs.
Pretty sure they meant run away.
34 down, 58 to go?
Poggers moment
Pfff the only thing achieved so far is speaking that he's guilty. Of (of all things) not disclosing payment for sex. No prison, no drop from the ballot, so far nothing that's actually useful.
I think that the best immediate thing that will come from this will be Trump rule 34 fanart. Or, who knows, I might be mistaken already...
So glad to see he finally achieved his dreams of winning the popular vote.
He should go out and celebrate this victory. Maybe he could buy himself a new suit. I hear prison orange is in style at the moment.
Get fucked fraudster!
You're guilty all the same
Too sick to be ashamed
You want to point your finger
But there's no one else to blame
There's no one else to blame
Guilty all the same
Does this mean he can't vote for himself in Florida?
Sadly* no. Florida doesn't allow convicted felons to vote unless it's a state felony that would not prevent them from voting in the state where it was charged - and New York doesn't strip felons of voting rights.
Even if they did, Florida voting rights can be restored by the governor and a review board appointed solely by him. Despite their history of personal conflict, don't think for a second that DeSantis wouldn't capitalize on the boost with his political base from handing Donald Trump the voting booth photo op as a personal gift.
