My radicalization was as unremarkable as my lived experience, or lack thereof. I and my family all work for a living but we have been lucky to be reasonably comfortable. Gradually went down the leftist pipeline, first as a left-liberal, then demsoc, before I read Marx and realized that the obvious problems with society are not due to campaign finance or electoralism or individual bad actors.
So I’m in the awkward, probably common, position of being a leftist without any immediate “need” to be, outside of an awareness of the fragility of my own position. While I’m comfortable now, it would not take much to put me on the streets. This is further strengthened in interacting with leftists, befriending people who are genuinely screwed by capitalism, and hearing perspectives I have not lived.
I try hard to listen to others experiences, not to prioritize my experience above theirs which is common for Western leftists. It has been a process to hold my tongue, to realize that my initial idea of how things work is from a middle class perspective. The last few years especially have opened my eyes to significance of imperialism in propping up my Western standard of living, whereas before I was focused more exclusively on domestic exploitation.
It's the same for me. Even trying to appeal to liberals' self-preservation instincts (even if someone doesn't care about the natural world, we all still need to eat food and for that we need a stable climate) doesn't work.
One memory that sticks out to me is, I was reading some comment thread about like unemployment or something, and somebody wrote a comment that was something like the following:
"Republicans dream of a country where everyone is their own small business owner, but that's literally impossible to achieve because then there wouldn't be any workers. Capitalism needs workers."
Suddenly a lot of things about the economy started to make more sense. I became a socialist not long after that.
I think it was an r/politics thread, strangely enough
I’m pretty sure an r/politics thread I saw back in 2018 linked to r/chapotraphouse, which was maybe the most important factor in my radicalization. This is probably why r/chapotraphouse no longer exists and why r/politics is now so meticulously policed.
When I discovered that communism has and does work (i.e. learning about the achievements of USSR, China, Cuba, DPRK. Never hated any of these countries, I just knew nothing about them)
Pretty much always had the same values as I do now but I was extremely captured by capitalist realism and believed only through that system could anybody escape wage slavery
Pretty much always had the same values as I do now but I was extremely captured by capitalist realism and believed only through that system could anybody escape wage slavery
Relatable. Marxism gave me language to better express things I had already known for a long time.
That was always the fairy tale expounded, that whatever the flaws of Capitalism, that it ultimately created so much growth in the economy that it would eventually eclipse any of the accomplishments of a Communist system. But in order to make that lie work, they needed to either just lie about the accomplishments under communism from the 20's to 80's... or just straight-up take credit for communist accomplishments from the 80's to the present.
The overall feeling I had as a kid that our society is inherently unfair came to an explosion when I was 13 and became friends with someone from Gaza and learned about Palestinian oppression.
I was fixing some C-level executive's email, and somehow wound up with that person's email password. Since I didn't get paid that much, I started snooping in their email to see that's up. I focus on their sent email because people usually don't pay attention to their sent box, but since people are usually replying to other people, I could still see the conversation that's happening.
And what did I find? Absolutely terrible spelling and boomer ellipses for one. Like "r u serious...that was r biggest cleint." level of misspelling. A complete cold disregard for the people who are actually doing the fucking work. So many emails of them rejecting someone asking for a raise. I also got payroll records and that pissed me off. Seeing the owner give himself a Christmas bonus that was more than double my annual salary plus my Christmas bonus pissed me off. Every C-level asshole acted like a big baby and are constantly having emotional meltdowns and temper tantrums. That really burst my bubble of capitalists somehow deserving their spot because of their genius compared to us unwashed workers who should know our place and grovel at their feet.
Can't say I ever had faith in capitalism. Started listening to anti-capitalist punk music when I was fairly young and was like "yeah that makes sense to me".
But I guess my best answer is seeing homeless people living in tents on the streets of San Francisco, probably before I even knew of the word "capitalism". I didn't know how the world worked but I knew however it worked wasn't the right way.
I worked at a giant News Media conglomerate in 2014-16.
I can say with absolute certainty that the Bernie ratfucking was an actual conspiracy from things I heard from producers and on air reporters off camera. They also very much enjoyed Trump for the ratings.
I then worked min wage jobs to get into a new career and meeting working class people for really the first time in my life
I worked at a giant News Media conglomerate in 2014-16. I can say with absolute certainty that the Bernie ratfucking was an actual conspiracy from things I heard from producers and on air reporters off camera. They also very much enjoyed Trump for the ratings.
You should write something long-form about this. I’d be interested in it.
Not being able to hold down a job because of mental illness and depression but not being able to get any kind of assistance because I didn't have a medical history or a doctor to confirm I had any problems but not being able to see any doctors because I couldn't afford one since I could hardly hold down a job. Having to pick between being homeless or having to live in abusive situations and was constantly having suicidal thoughts. Covid was the best thing that ever happened to me because that two grand got me a shitty car and I milked the rent relief they had in my state for as long as I could until I found a job that doesn't immediately make me want to die. Also I'm pathetically allergic to work and I hate nap times.
This is nearly identical to my own story. For me, severe depression and autism basically determine what I'm able to tolerate. I've found that out over many painful years. The jobs that are typically easiest for me to get, for example bottom-tier factory/linework and customer service shit, I literally cannot bear mentally. I just can't fucking do them. I borderline lose my sanity and cannot control my anger under those conditions, wondering how the fuck the majority ever allowed the abusive minority to herd so many working class into such inhumane conditions.
The rage I've accumulated through years of being forced into whatever coercive, low paying, dead-end jobs I was barely able to get hired for where the workers are treated as disposable trash to be used like slave mules could ignite a new fucking sun. Trying to simply exist and not be homeless (which I have been, more than once) under capitalism is a living nightmare.
Senku being a lib technocrat drives me crazy, especially since I think the author has communist sympathies (Sun Ken Rock is among the strangest ecchis ever in terms of writing)
Ironically, I got radicalised by a book written by a Milquetoast centrist, Capital In The 21st Century.
It's essentially a capitalist thinking through the fundamental implications of capitalism, especially that the market demands that the rate of return must be higher than the rate off growth. Piketty goes through the history of the 20th century and how the post-war boom came about, and how it's equality was dismantled in the eighties in order to fuel greater returns.
Then he comes up with his policy recommendations, and it's.... a wealth tax. Which you know, I'm not opposed to, but the idea that's going to have the same sort of impact as the creation of the welfare state and WW2 is insane. Never mind that there's nothing in place to prevent the rise of austerity again. At that point I knew the only way to proceed was to dismantle the capital class in it's entirety.
Incredible how he walks through the implications of Capital. And then, when he puts everything together pointing to the political necessity of revolution to stave off complete economic and civilisation collapse, he can't imagine the first and the second is bad, so he makes up some liberal story that won't solve it and can't happen because of what he's just said, but sounds nice and like it's not too much work.
I actually started reading it recently! I saw hype a while ago and it was in my reading list and the cover was pretty.
I uhh, yeah there really doesn't seem to be that much substance to it? I check out the database to see if there was anything I could do with the data, and after I checked it didn't seem all that great called the World Inequality Database, link here.
I'm not sure if I'll finish it, like you said the authors centrist and so far appears to be milquetoast. I just, I think honestly I thought the data-driven aspect (quantitive) would be cool but there's not realy sophisticated modelling going kn as far as I can tell.
I don't suggest anyone read it... maybe flip through the first ~20 pages to get a feel for how the largest problems of our day are whittled down to narrow and eventually single issues. It's an interesting piece of rhetoric I'd say, how the author & people reading it come to believe in such a solution.
O'Bummer's drone strike on al-Awlaki was the last individual straw. "But how could hope and change guy murder and american citizen without trial!?." I knew about all sorts of bad shit Murica did but i bought Obama's propaganda line and though he'd be different from bush and turn things around and blah blah blah blah.
Not the final straw, but the first thing that shook me out of “capitalism is great and leads to the best outcomes thinking”… in the span of a couple weeks, I took a flight on Frontier Airlines and a train ride on Amtrak.
If you’re not familiar with Frontier… it’s one of the airlines that has “cheap” tickets but they get you on a lot of small charges. Flight was miserable, mainly because the flight attendants were kinda pushy about selling beverages and snacks. And more than once, they got on the PA and you were forced to listen to their sales pitch for the Frontier credit card. All around miserable experience.
Then shortly after I took my first trip on Amtrak - the US’ government supported train network. People always shit on it but it was actually kinda nice. Affordable ticket, comfortable easy to get on/off compared to flying. There wasn’t a bunch of ads plastered inside the cabin. Overall a very nice experience.
It seems small but up to then I had a firm belief that the private sector always did things better than the public sector. Losing that helped shake other things loose later on.
Moving back to France and seeing hundreds of homeless people, everywhere, all the time. Yellow vest protests crushed by the militarized police, essentially ignoring and suppressing poor people. Retirement reforms protests also crushed and bypassed by the state using 49.3 protocol to force the reform into law. Those protests getting ridiculed and activists patronized by french mainstream media, most of em owned by 10 billionaires who are all friends.
I'm not sure I ever had faith in capitalism. There's just some shameless and obvious wrongness about it, like watching the Disney dog skinning movie and believing Cruella de Vil is the protagonist. It's always felt like thinly veiled post-hoc justifications/cover ups for might makes right, victim blaming, kleptomania, etc.. Lot's of mental gymnastics for "it's in my hands, therefor should be mine" and "there's nothing wrong, you shouldn't do anything to fix society". It's like having faith Santa Claus is real, past the age of children, you just have to be gullible or benefiting from others being gullible to believe this.
Although in debates most people argue like they have this weird idea that capitalism means personal freedoms like the right to flea markets, as opposed to the ideology that justifies the authoritarian control of society's capital concentrated into the hands of the capitalist class.
I just had a very strong sense of justice from an early age and always felt things were wrong. I was a communist in high school, and when I met a girl and started working I was sort of catapulted into the lib-o-sphere by my need to make money, fast. I was surrounded by successful people and felt finance / investment banking could be my path to a better life. I even joined the Lib Dems for a time in 2016 or so and bought into some of the hysteria against Corbyn (ie that they were unelectable because reasons) . Mostly it was the people I was around, but I think I was also suffering indoctrination from neoliberal economics courses that I was studying.
When Trump got elected, I bought into the hysteria about Russia, and even turned on Julian Assange who I had written essays on for my A-Levels. About the same time I learned a former friend of mine had become a red hat "contraversial" MAGA / PUA guy themselves. Anyway, with Trump's election, I automatically knew my own country was going to vote to leave the EU, in a vote which I viewed as a good proxy for how stupid and racist somebody was. This came to pass, and I was increasingly drawn to new online communities on reddit. To begin with, this was things like The Mueller, and as stuff progressed and my own gammon-pilled countrymen voted for the third time in ten years for the shittest political party on planet earth to ruin things even further, I spent a lot of time on r/ChapoTrapHouse, r/GenZedong and r/GreenAndPleasant (and when this got infested with libs, r/GreenAndExtreme).
By this time, I had come back into the fold, but I think the tipping point was when we elected Boris Johnson prime minister and Corbyn was ousted as leader of the labour party. I feel like this is when anti-semitism really started getting wielded as a mallet against the left. Then when Bernie got snubbed in the US elections, and a senile Biden got put in his place, I really started to think what the fuck, how can things be this bad.
After writing all this, I realise the question I have answered is when did I give up on electoralism. I gave up on capitalism when I was forced to pay rent to increasingly shitty landlords for ten years straight in an economy that had been in the shitty for my entire adult life and was clearly never ever going to get any better, in a country where I had never received a pay rise, despite increased costs every single year, with shitty public services that become shitter every year. Seriously, in 2010, a graduate salary was £23k, and today in 2024, the graduates I know are still paid £23k to begin with. It is completely fucked.
Now I know better, and I feel it is a massive shame that I ever got off track, having gotten everything right already when I was a kid.
I didn't make this, but I radicalised Tronald who did make it. Unfortunately we've completely lost contact with him now. I hope he's doing well out there, even if he was a loose cannon at times I have not met a harder working and more dedicated comrade ever. Man had an unbelievable ability to churn out work day after day after day. His solo output was like the efforts of 15 people.
That's unfortunate about Tronald, I know what you mean. I think I even played Tabletop Simulator with him a couple times, but I don't use Discord anymore. He seemed stressed, although that kind of comes with the job. Hopefully just taking some time to disconnect.
Probably it was realizing democracy and capitalism are incompatible. The essential needs of a majority (food, healthcare, shelter) being ignored by political representatives that were bought off by an organized minority of capital holders was where I broke from liberalism. From then on I wanted democracy to being in the workplace to prevent the accumulation of power in the hands of the few. It's a bit of a generalization but, it was a point where I really departed from liberal political thought.
The Supreme Court ruling in favor of Citizens United was a bit of a shock. "Wait... they're just allowed to do that? And it's all completely legal now?"
Old enough to see everything generally getting shittier. Maybe it's an age thing, but post 9-11 everything just keeps getting shittier. I realize now it's by design, to enrich the few.
Being a dipshit libertarian like 18 years ago and then imagining the end game of libertarianism and, every time, it came back to becoming everything I was supposed to fear Socialism would bring.
Bonus thinking about the fear of automation and realizing at it’s foundation it wasn’t fear of technology it was fear of capitalism that couldn’t be articulated due to being the most propagandized people on earth.
I think it was having a genuine joy making things and doing engineering, then getting a degree in it and realizing it would slowly make me hate what I thought I enjoyed.
Honestly? The internet. Watching capitalism devour the internet allowed me to see it happen in real time instead of reading about it in a book. It happened so fast I was able to track the changes instead of the "frog boiling" speed things usually take.
Honestly, it was probably having to search for jobs and hearing all the advice about "networking" and all that bullshit about "hidden jobs" and how most people don't get jobs through open job postings. To me, that was the sign of a system that didn't work and the proposed solution was for everyone to do neoliberal "self improvement" and utilitarian social relationships instead.
That and realizing how much of our supposedly great social democratic safety net was being gradually destroyed and the succdems were all in on it. reasons, I know.
As a child of a single mother but in an affluent area I have friends from both ends of the economic spectrum, I’ve gone on to see some of the wealthy failsons go on to have high paying careers and some of the much smarter harder working lower class friends suffer to make ends meet. This ain’t a meritocracy and some of the most deserving and hardest working get the least. That can’t be right.
Trying and failing to explain how the capitalist class would become the first ruling class in history to willing give up their ruling class status to the workers
Being in the public school system. The high school I was a student in was blatantly nepotistic and only really invested their resources and staff in assisting the students with rich families while caring little about poorer students. My family couldn't afford higher education (which is virtually a requirement for getting any sort of well-paid job in my country), so me and other poor students had no real reason to be motivated. Eventually, after defending myself from harassment from a rich student I was essentially expelled from school and targeted by police, while the rich student only got a slap on the wrist. This experience made me question everything I knew about capitalism until I recognized that this system doesn't care about people like me and left me behind, leading me to socialism and never looking back.
Watching what it did to my parents was enough. They also never bothered to instill much pro capitalist propaganda in me either their stance was generally always "work bare minimum, never trust your boss, businesses don't care about you, join a union"
Weird how they became boomer fascists later in life
Got primed to leftism by losing at least 1 (you could argue 3 or 4 of them) family member to the American healthcare system/insurance. Had others suffer from poor care, high bills, the stupidest doctors, and/or not being able to pick the best options because of high bills. Family functionally shook itself apart over healthcare stress.
Eventually played frickin Victoria 2, which taught me some basic political literacy. IE: Liberals are more with what I identified with at the time, not "conservative". Also started realizing that socialists were the good guys. From there, it was a slow road to now, where I believe Stalin shouldn't have stopped at Berlin. Mostly a lot of little things, becoming more and more dissatisfied with liberals being unable/unwilling to enact any of their stated goals, agreeing more with socialist politics, being blamed for 2016 despite voting for Hilldog in a swing state (that she still lost), etc.
The final breaking point for me was probably 2020+ growing up in this age we live in.
Knowing that, even with all this information at our disposal about the atrocities happening 24/7, fucking nothing is going to change. We don’t even try to fix anything
But I guess what’s really sent me over the edge lately is being hyper aware of my position in corporate America and how I’m getting paid to do something which provides 0 value to anyone whatsoever. It’s almost gotten to a point where I cannot morally accept what I’m getting paid because the people doing 10x as much work as me are struggling to feed their families or even affording a place to live. It’s a source of anxiety, stress, and guilt that I cannot put into words.
That last point is definitely something I worry about a lot, and I've always thought this Brecht poem phrased it well:
It is true: I work for a living
But, believe me, that is a coincidence. Nothing
That I do gives me the right to eat my fill.
By chance I have been spared. (If my luck does not hold,
I am lost.)
They tell me: eat and drink. Be glad to be among the haves!
But how can I eat and drink
When I take what I eat from the starving
And those who thirst do not have my glass of water?
And yet I eat and drink.
unfortunately I do not have any actual answers for this lol
Working at a factory. For the first time, I was in proximity with and working together with people who actually did the labor of building the things that keep our society going. It helped open my eyes and realize my own internal bigotry against poor, working class people. These people were not rubes, their lives were a tapestry just as sophisticated as mine. The workers got payed decently well, but they were subjected to constant, slavish overtime requirements, and bizarre out-of-touch mandates from middle management who didn't seem to know what actually happened in the business they were nominally running. The factory was part of a business who was a subsidiary of a fortune 500 company, and they made absolute bank year over year... but none of that ever alleviated the sense of panic and impending doom that constantly permeated the factory. This was only a few years after 2008, and so most people there remembered the Bad Times, and so seemed eager to engage in hamster wheel of unending commodity production and capital growth. I have a lot of mixed feeling from that time, as I genuinely really felt exhilarated by the work of industrial production (and still do), but couldn't get over the aura of bad vibes that hung over the place. It was only after reading and watching more socialist content that I began to learn the words and concepts to describe what I experienced.
This sense of impending doom you describe is almost omnipresent in capitalist society. I’m not sure if it was always the case, but when I make the mistake of reading reddit, everyone there seems so depressed and hopeless, and they’ll get banned if they blame anyone except boomers or MAGA republicans (mention the bourgeoisie and you’re out). I worked as an assistant professor for years in a university overseas, and that sense of gloom was also present. The university itself was always on the ropes (it was not an ivy), and administrators were always hinting that we would lose our jobs if we failed to keep upgrading our degrees, although they never went through with firing anyone (unless you sexually harassed people, didn’t show up to class, or argued with your colleagues via email for years). I only felt comfortable there in my last few months after I told the administrators that I was quitting. It seems insane to quit a job like that (and I’m still unemployed going on eight years later) but the pay sucked and the boredom and repetitiveness was becoming unbearable.
Kids are born philosophers and I hate when people insult each other by saying that they are childish. It takes shitloads of effort to get most adults in the west to embrace communism; kids embrace it almost effortlessly.
Climate change was the topic that kept the light on for me. I grew up in a centrist “west wing” lib household.
It just didn’t make sense why no one wanted to do anything about a very clear cut issue, and always allowed me to ask myself questions even when I was a raving Obama fan.
I hadn't really considered what is to be done about capitalism until a relative had this weird bootlicker arc that sent me in the opposite direction.
He started out as a management consultant. Whatever, fresh out of college, in debt, not doing anything they couldn't get the next person in line to do, well aware of how much his clients sucked.
Decided the job sucked, went back to school for an MBA, got a proper non-travel white collar job within walking distance. Decided that sucked as well. Was actually trending based, saying ACAB and that wealth is extracted and not earned. Went back to school, studied organizational psychology.
Now he's fully internalized the programming. He's a free-floating apologist for every corporation everywhere, even if they've never paid him a dime. His opposition to universal healthcare is ostensibly for people who like their insurance company. I told him about a small workplace victory where a colleague and I just didn't fill out the scrum spreadsheet until management dropped the requirement and he acted as if I hurt him personally. I said that it sucked when Netflix cancelled a show we both liked and he stuck up for them, saying maybe it didn't fit with their branding strategy or vision.
He made me realize that I can't just be about my personal causes in a liberal framework and need to battle his class betrayal (he's still an hourly worker, just at a ridiculous rate) with class solidarity.
Working commisionable sales and seeing me sell $45,000 worth of camera equipment and getting a $2500 bonus for the quarter for doing it. I sold more than my yearly salary to dentists, doctors and lawyers dropping 3-5 grand on top of the line camera systems so they can take photos of pigeons from their living room.
Literally I got that cheque and was like "marx was right"
Well, I was raised by communists so I never believed in the miraculous power of capitalism to begin with.
That said:
Back when I was a child I happened to pick up a copy of Blood Never Dried: a People's History of the British Empire, 'bout the time they I was being taught about the British empire in school. Read it yonks ago so I can't attest for the politics of the book but, I remember reading all the vile shit Churchill oversaw and then getting in an argument with the history teacher when she tried to brush it all under the carpet 'cos he personally stopped Hitler or whatever.
The capitalist class will not just commit genocidal slaughter, they'll demand your children are taught to worship the butchers like saints.
What's that like? Most people I can assume here were raised by people born into the system that can't fathom anything else. Or were raised by reactionaries from the post-Soviet or poat-Warsaw pact countries.
I grew up in [REDACTED], Wales. Historically it was one of the country's handful of hotbeds of communist activity. The local communist movement had been extinguished for some time before I was born, but my folks weren't willing to let that flame die.
Some of my strongest childhood memories were of being taken on protests. My parents had a wall in the house dedicated to shelves of whatever communist literature they could get their hands on. Growing up, they tried their best to try to instill Marxist ideology into me, and encouraged me to read up as much theory as possible. When I was in my early teens I had a brief rebellious period where I was a Blairite lib but I moved on from that very quickly 'cos all Blair's most ardent defenders are the least cool people on earth.
Lots of things, but the Dems refusal to do anything about abortion, the children locked up in cages at the border, and creeping monopolies got me thinking they were almost the same as Republicans. Daylights saving time still being a thing despite everyone hating it made me wonder if the cruelty was the point, if it wasn't just the most galling indifference.
Capitalism in particular - I was working for a company that did some off shoring in Ukraine when the war broke out. I still haven't really processed all this but having coworkers doing the same shit I was while they were getting shelled was absolutely fucked.
I was one of those lucky people who took a sociology class in community college and thought socialism sounded cool as fuck. I thought the Democratic party was the closest route to achieving socialism, so I took a few years to clear out enough brain worms around the time trump was elected.
And thank God. I couldn't imagine being a pro-capitalist Democratic voter who still thinks we can buy our way out of this fucked up system.
reading about it. basically reading about the history and how it came to be, how value works, realizing that working to get money is highly exploited and those that don't work but make their money from money are screwing us all over
Gradual disillusionment with America and the gradual realization that all the countries people on the internet insisted were better had the same problems
Many smaller things, but there are some notable things in no particular order:
Getting a job. This might require some explanation. Not only was it a trip to hell and back to get my first minimum wage job, but they would regularly overschedule me while I was in college despite us both agreeing a certain time. Not to mention retail customers that were leagues worse than my boss. Now I'm struggling to find full-time work despite having a degree, getting an internship, and "years of experience". They're just that picky and no for real reason so I have been reliant on seasonal work where I travel to different places. Don't get me wrong, I got to live in a beautiful place California in the spring and really loved it there, but I want to start my life in earnest and actually meet people.
The climate crisis.
California. In theory, California should be a utopia and did everything right under capitalism, and ironically 99% of its problems are boiled down to the fact that California is too successful.
Tying into that, the cost of living. Everything is a luxury these days because "muh shareholder value"
Rent-seeking behavior. From enshittification to car-dependency, this is the part 3 of California, which got punished for its success. Rent-seeking behavior is an example of laziness being rewarded under capitalism by making things worse in a way that makes you and some shareholders rich. If shareholders would make easy money by poisoning the food supply so nothing we eat or drink is healthy anymore, they'd do just that.
When it stopped working for me. When it became obvious that it was the thing holding me back. I know it seems selfish but I was a lib until my early thirties.
I got got by propaganda about imperialism. It was 56 military interventions in South America since WW2 by America. That shit broke my heart. It was after that, having had some sympathy for the cause instilled in me, funnily enough, by a guest on Destiny's stream that made me go, "okay, what's this all about?"
One of the things is the weird conceptions the capitalist class have invented about what they call "class". I used to think my family was middle class because we had a house and my parents bought me a gameboy that one time. But they were just your average joe: my dad worked at a factory on the line, and my mum was just a low level admin at a small high school. It wasn't until I met some rich kids who's parent's literally bought them everything they wanted, their parents had massive houses and drove expensive cars, had massive yachts, until I realized the capitalist conception of "class" was a total lie, and we weren't "middle class" at all, my parents were just boomers.
Then there's the internet, me and my sister both got sucked into especially YouTube when it began popping off, and the politcal propaganda was insane. Naturally we shared the same channels etc., the same old liberal brainrot. But it wasn't until I actually watched, read and listened to those "evil" socialists the content creators were criticizing that I realized they were lying. What is interesting is she stayed in that liberal brainrot sphere, and now she's a full on anti-vax, reactionary and has taken up religion not out of genuine spiritual want, but because fascist YouTubers told her that's what she needs to do to fight against "woke".
What broke the straw for me especially is realizing that throughout history and present day, libs (hogs or libs) brazenly support fascists when workers try to revolt and demand change. Seeing libs reactions to the fascist rally at Charlottesville really opened my eyes to this. I'm especially vindicated with Ukraine and Israel right now on this point.
Then there's working ans then becoming unemployed, the system absolutely hates it when you try to get welfare. And it doesn't help that the local unemployment office workers treat you like a criminal and degrade you as you're struggling to get by. On top of that is the way I've seen extended family members talk about people on welfare as if they're all lazy, getting thousands of dollars a day (it's not even enough to cover food + rent with the highest), and all in it to exploit the system. I found it disgusting that people just say that without knowing I was on welfare at the time. It's really dehumanizing and shameful.
When I was kid I wanted to be a weird combination of Seto Kaiba/Pegasus when I grew up, so a suppose I did have a kind of "faith in capitalism", but if you asked me to define capitalism I probably would've said something like "when you do a flea market like my aunt right?"
Tho the straw also kinda broke early in my life, watching my parents watch the Iraq War on Al Jazeera sealed the deal permanently, and I put away childish things
Hearing family members in privileged positions scoff at the idea of using their position to help those less fortunate. It made me take a step back and think about why they might feel that way when I had previously assumed humans would always want to work together and support one another. It really shattered the whole "Kumbaya" aspects of my childhood as I realized capitalism encouraged profit and personal success over the welfare of the whole. It made me want to learn more about our economic system and how we could improve it. I was probably 14-15 at the time and by the time I hit college I was a full blown Marxist.
When I was younger, just considering the nature of a system that demands hierarchy among the entire population based on a competition it all puts them in, with that hierarchy being one of deprivation for the many losers, was enough for my part. Even if you have some hustlegrinder who is more productive than anyone currently on Earth, if he is in a circumstance of competing only with equals, then they must nonetheless be arranged in brutal hierarchy where he may be at the bottom. If your supposed "meritocracy" has no interest in absolute productive ability but only ability relative to others, with the punishment being what we see on the streets in the US, then yours is clearly an economic system of needless cruelty.
There are many, much stronger critiques, but that is what I was thinking of when my mind really changed.
I would have been saved a lot of bullshit navel-gazing if someone pointed out to me when I was a teenager, idk, "the Transatlantic Slave Trade was mostly carried out by private companies" or some obvious thing like that which is kept out of the view of children who are supposedly being taught American history.
When I first started to become more interested in politics (when I was VERY young) I was a full-blown communist. I loved the USSR, Lenin, the imagery of the revolution. I loved Cuba, Che and Fidel. Actually thinking back, maybe it was watching those movies about Che, the one about his bike trip and the others about the revolution… but yeah. I started out thinking capitalism was straight up evil. I feel I evolved from that and realised evil and good are not real and communism isn’t about being good at all. It’s about truly understanding the system we have, and what its issues are. And what the solutions would be. Before that I went through a libertarian socialist phase (where I became anti-authoritarian 🤮) and even an individualist anarchist phase. That one wasn’t that far ago, when I was in college. And I feel it shaped me a lot to finally get Marx (more, not fully ofc) and communism. I feel Stirner and Marx would be friends. Both were edgy boys who liked to fuck shit up.
(Just because I know people will riff me on putting Stirner and Marx in the same thought, I feel this sums up how I, a former individualist/egoist feel about Stirner and Marx:
“Blumenfeld argues that Marx acquiesces and accepts for himself Stirner's orientation towards ideology but asks in a historical materialist sense: "How did it come about that people 'got' these phantasms into their heads in the first place?" So while Stirner affirms the negative, ideologically-opposed un-human (unmensch) as the concrete and actual subject, Blumenfeld argues that Marx takes this negativity as necessary but not sufficient for revolutionary change”)
A political science course in community college inummerated all the ways the United States' political system was structured to benefit the rich. From there I tried to find ways to reform the system. I looked into the new deal and the transition from the guilded age to the depression to post war America. Eventually I found that without a great deal of revolutionary potential FDR would have kept on behaving like the child of wealth he was. From there I imagined the States developing a similar amount of revolutionary potential and kicking off some reform that stuck. But the more I read about the slow weakening of the new deal the more disillusioned I was that anything of that sort would stick.
In order to permanently effect change, we need to eliminate the possibility for capitalists to exist and ensure that any political power that exists in society is incentivized to help the people.
I’ve been leaning more left for a while in terms of distain for specific aspects of the capitalist system but, honestly, it was coming to the wider Lemmyverse that made me feel like there was something I could do about it. Interactions with socialists on here, seeing the memes, and actually yellow Parenti (suggested by a Hexbear), made me realize that I didn’t have to just lament into the void but that there was a lot of people who felt this way and had practical ideas for praxis. Hexbear has been great in helping me find resources (podcasts, free access to theory) and perspective from outside my personal bubble to help push me further into taking action.
If you want one thing though - student loans made me realize the banks were taking advantage of both parents’ hopes for their children and said children by promising that once they got a good job from the good degree they borrowed money for, they could just pay off the loans no problem. After 7 years, my 30k in loans was 60k that, no matter how hard I tried, I could not pay down, and I realized that it was rigged. (Luckily, the government came through and I got it forgiven with the Public Service Loan Forgiveness, but not without an epic battle with several different loan servicers.) It opened my eyes to how much power financial institutions have and how they only screw the low income people with that power. That’s when I started questioning a system that bailed those banks out, and the dominos started falling from there.