other instances: why do you hate us?

It's because we're loud, incredibly active, argumentative, and most importantly we are generally speaking unified. Yes there are differences, but compare the pushback when a hexbear posts something pro-china vs when someone else posts something anti-china. We'll get maybe 2-3 responses, all of which will immediately get dogpiled anyway. They'll get 10 of us. We also all upvote the takes we all agree on, so much so that it looks like vote manipulation. No other group on the fediverse has that type of unity, even if they broadly agree with each other.
Also the giant emojis probably don't help lol.
- Democratic centralism is when I upvote every Hexbear post no matter how much I think the post is cringe.
- to all our brave posters
  
  Just before federation, when people were claiming that hexbears were a bunch of unrestrained feral super-posters and that we were going to change the fediverse, I thought that a lot of it was just people hyping themselves up. Only now do I realize that we are in fact the strongest posters on the fediverse because of our solidarity with each other.
  indeed
- TL;DR first because I got rant-y
  Hexbear and Lemmygrad formed to be leftist first and individual interests second. So your take is spot-on. I also think that they get mad that Hexbear doesn't have the option to downvote. So they don't get the satisfaction of the power trip and makes them even more pissed off. lol
  The funny thing about people thinking we are assholes is that between here, lemmy.ml, and lemmygrad.ml I have found this instance to be the most chill. I find myself more concerned about getting attacked on lemmy.ml for even trying to say something that is not in-line with the western media narrative. I am a bit worried about getting jumped on for misunderstanding or having a bad take on lemmygrad. However I have begun to be better at thinking about how I say/ask things when replying to posts. Which I think is overall a good thing and have better accepted that even if I may disagree with folks, that it is better to learn more about those things over all.
  For all the shit that I am learning and seeing that gets said about here and lemmygrad. Those folks on lemmy.ml and the other instances are just beyond quick to just outright refuse to take a moment to consider that they are not questioning shit at all. Just super binary "good or evil." Even if they agree that their "side" has historically both lied and done super fucked up shit. It is still unwavering "still much better than insert whatever shit they think anti-capitalism has done to so many people." They completely misunderstand that us "tankies" are just dumb motherfuckers brainwashed into thinking that AES nations never did anything wrong. It also doesn't help that even "progressive" liberals are so firmly conserned about being super slightly left of dead centre. To go around talking shit about how the hammer and sickle should be treated the same as the Nazi swastika. Still believing that the US is the reason we won the war. Nor do they realize how the Cold War was completely kicked off by the western allies renegging on promises made to the USSR for helping recoup. That the massive build-up of nukes was due to our own war hawks lying about the supposed rapid build-up of anything from the Soviets. Cuba and USSR are always the "war mongers" for putting nukes on Cuba, but the US's shit in Europe/Turkiey.
- The giant emotes (which generates a lot of animosity when combined with the dubiously low PPB-trigger-threshold of some of our posters when on other instances) are solvable issue. If the devs were so inclined, they could just run imagemagick over them automatically to make downsized copies.
  I'm not necessarily saying they should, I'm just saying they could.
- and most importantly we are generally speaking unified.
  It's been a while since I did a sectarianism. I have a good reason to later today though
- 😔
- The emojis issue won't be forever though

You have a games community but zero mentions of either Excite Truck or Excitebots: Trick Racing
- Pretty damning TBH
- Hexbear gamers, explain yourself!
- Your comment lead me to learn about the many sequels to the smash hit NES game Excitebike. I feel that I should have been informed of those titles prior to now, but the Hexbear games community has let us all down.
- excitebots was the SHIT
  that's at the top of my wishlist for switch remasters

Last week I was at the movies by myself to see Barbie and a big group of Hexbear users sat behind me and in the middle of the movie I opened up a can of beans to eat and one of the hexbear users yelled 'Hey everybody, this nerd is eating beans!' and the whole theater laughed at me. Thats why i will always hate you.
- lies, hexbear users would never besmirch someone for eating beans
  
  It was actually a can of cow milk.
  
  Tell that to Bean dad
- You silly Hexbear, that's the fakest story I've ever heard in my life.
  Why would somebody bother making a movie about a plastic doll for little girls?

I hate you for starting federation shortly after I made a second account specifically for hexbear
- I agree with this tbh
  
  Exact opposite of me, I was on Hexbear for a while and had just made a Lemmy account before Hexbear federated; now I'm not sure which one to keep (keeping both for now).

They hate us for our freedom

I hate you TANKIES because you MAKE ME READ!!!
Edit: oh shit I forgot to switch accounts

Because the rest of us don't get your fancy pronoun picker.
- You're correct to be jealous of us. Although, I think we managed to port that feature upstream to the main Lemmy thingy as an optional feature? Check with your instance administrator!
- As a cis dude, why do you gotta keep doing that? Why you gotta keep making me jealous of your instance policies that create an inclusive and welcoming environment, especially for those facing current and historical oppression?

they hate us for our freedom :no-oil:

I wonder if it’s because you have an in-culture that they don’t understand. I haven’t bothered to look it up, but like what is chapotraphouse? I think it was a podcast, then a subreddit, but what does it mean?
I don’t hate you tho, just saying.
- Chapo Trap House is a leftish comedy podcast with three (later four, then five, now back to three) hosts that knew each other from twitter. It mostly commented on happenings in politics with regular segments going over the latest right wing bullshit, and was one of few places that would criticize the democrats as well. The /r/chapotraphouse subreddit was nominally for discussion of the podcast but it quickly outgrew that and became a general-purpose left-wing subreddit with a focus on irreverent shitposting and hostility towards outsiders. Fast-forward a bit and the podcast hosts remark that they don't like the subreddit anymore because people were criticizing them for various things, but nonetheless the subreddit continued to grow. A long-running joke that the "official podcast of the subreddit" was actually an entirely different podcast called Citations Needed began.
  /r/cth was getting too big for the admins at reddit (one of whom thinks he'll own slaves in the post-apocalypse to give you an idea of their politics) and was banned for ill-defined reasons of "promoting hate" against slave owners (perhaps the reddit admin was insulted by this). In the aftermath of the banning, some people got together on a discord channel and a variety of volunteers got to work creating the website chapo.chat using lemmy. A couple months(?) later, chapo.chat was complete, though it forked from lemmy relatively early on and would be unable to federate for some time. A variety of comms were made, including /c/chapotraphouse, which then was ostensibly for discussion of both Chapo Trap House and Citations Needed, though this wasn't enforced or anything.
  After some time, the admins decided to change the site name from chapo.chat to hexbear.net, because they no longer wished to associate with the podcast. In a completely failed attempt to encourage the growth of other communites on the site, the default "Main" comm was closed. Rather than this leading to the increased use of other comms that the admins were hoping for, /c/chapotraphouse became the new default comm. And finally, after much work from the dev team, hexbear.net reverted back to lemmy and was able to federate.
  In summary: Chapo Trap House is a podcast.
  
  In a completely failed attempt to encourage the growth of other communites on the site
  This is revisionism
  
  one of whom thinks he'll own slaves in the post-apocalypse to give you an idea of their politics
  If I'm not mistaken this same admin used to be a mod for the infamous jailbait sub too
- I wonder if it’s because you have an in-culture that they don’t understand.
  Definitely partially true. Some people have read posts here and made posts elsewhere saying things like "they're right wingers pretending to be leftist" because they can't understand satire and irony without having it spelled out to them and they're automatically trying to assume the worst instead of realising that the entire instance is irony poisoned.
- CTH is a podcast, the subreddit was originally about it but quickly became its own thing. The podcast is your typical Brooklyn leftist hot couch thing where you get a bit of theory mixed in with a lot of jokes and parasocial relationships.
  A long running joke is that the subreddit/Hexbear is actually a Citations Needed fanclub, because it's a much a better podcast.
  
  Bout to become a blowback fanclub up in here
  
  Personally I only listen to podcasts that read myths and legends and I've been here ages
  
  The greatest bit of irony is that in an attempt to explain the podcast, you used a super deep reference to the hot couch gag, almost like the in-jokes are completely involuntary for us at this point.
- I would just like to be an anecdotal nuisance and say that I found this community without knowing or interacting with the chapotraphouse podcast or subreddit
  
  :0 How'd you find it then?
  
  same, I've listened to a couple of episodes and can't stand it. the community is something else.
  
  same
- I have never listened to Chapo Traphouse.
  There is quite the in-culture for sure. I’ll laugh at something on here and my partner will ask what’s funny and I have to give like ten minutes of back story.
- chapotraphouse
  Never heard of it
  
  it's
  the main podcast of the community
- No it's the drug dealer
- Chapo is the podcast that started it all. It’s a pretty decent socialist podcast with our smart boy Matt on the rants radicalizing a lot of people from 2016-2020. A lot of us have politically moved beyond it, but it definitely colors our culture in that we use the same insults and heightened irony that the original pod did. Very early Chapo episodes had a section where they would read a couple articles from major papers and decide which authors get fired out of a cannon and which ones get jail for life, for example and pull up pictures of the writers and mock them. We very much do not care about polite frivolities or “umm akshually” pedantry and debate shit. We know we are communists and we mock anyone who isn’t

I don't understand your in-jokes, but you infuriate the libshits and I find that very amusing.
- Want to talk about outdoor cats?
- This is the most correct answer.
- the in-jokes become less obscurant with a little exposure. the rabbit hole goes shockingly deep.

I support most of what is said here, but users from here tend to be very aggressive and combative. Everything is politics and pretending otherwise is very lib, so I can both understand why you do it and why people find it annoying.
- In the early days, this sub was constantly brigaded by chuds, terfs, libs, patsocs, wreckers and branches of leftism that were somehow even more online than us and had an irrational hatred of us for reasons that frankly I never cared enough to bother learning. Like any such place, that means we're used to people coming in "just asking questions" with a bad take, and turning out to be a concern troll rather than someone asking in good faith and open to changing their mind.
  This produced a culture of radical, frank struggle sessions, an approach to moderation that the Cheka circa 1919 would think lacks due process (and is good and cool and has made this place possibly the most LGBT friendly place on the net.), and a bad habit of dunking for a laugh. We're not nearly as edgy as a first impression might give, though.
- We are aggressive and combative against racism, ableism, transaphobia or when someone is attacking one of us or our community...that is what gives us the moral high ground.
  Those are literally the only things we have got remotely aggressive with on the fediverse so far.
  
  and homophobia, and capitalism, and sexism and imperialism and colonialism and bazinga brain, most importantly bazinga brain
- We're hyper aggressive when it comes to certain things like hate.
  This is then used by racists and bigots to claim we're aggressive all the time. And because they say it ALL THE TIME it begins to be believed by people, even if that's literally the only context in which they've seen our people get that hostile.
- Stop right there, criminal scum! Nobody breaks the law on my watch!
- Everything is politics
  Yes.
  Pretending otherwise is lib.
  Yes.
  You are getting it
  
  I mean I am a communist sympathetic to hexbear, used to browse /r/chapotraphouse 😝
- 😔

you have emojis i can't use >:(

Because they just want to meme about China Bad and Russian Bots all day long
- hey sometimes they switch it up a bit with russia bad and chinese bots

They are jealous of our raw posting power. They wish they could be as cool and constantly correct as us.
- Heavy is the head that wears the crown

Tell me so that I can double down on those specific behaviors.
- Being mean to bigots
  Being uncivil
  Being correct
  Being smart, hot and sexy
- this but unironically. I want to be as hostile and unwelcoming to libs as possible
  Death to America

They hate us for our freedoms

Too liberal
- Too sexy
  
  You guys get laid too much

Because this place is full of

I don't hate you, this defederation thing is something I don't like. It creates echo chambers. Reddit was an echo chamber, too. But it was one everyone creates for themselves, subscribe: privacy, linux and selfhost and your chamber of anti-GAFAM is ready to rock (for example).
Seeing Hexbear and other stuff in "All" helps to escape your own bubble and creates more divergent discussion.
- I don't think they're arguing echo chambers can never ever be called for, just that Lemmy may be better off not as one.
- I agree with your last statement 100%
  I am generally against defederation and censorship.
  In response to the OP of this topic though, people hate hexbears because of the constant hardcore brigading and the huge inline image abuse.
  It's annoying as fuck. As soon as you smell a "lib", even though you are usually wrong, it just turns into a massive dogpile on anyone who doesn't share your identical belief structure.
  That isn't debate, it's bullying. You have the numbers to pull it off but if it carries on you will absolutely end up defederated from everywhere.
  
  As soon as you smell a "lib", even though you are usually wrong
  We're actually 100% correct, just fyi. A lot of people don't know that about us
  
  the constant hardcore brigading
  Going to a thread on Active isn't brigading
  As soon as you smell a "lib", even though you are usually wrong,
  Uh, there are some anarcho-bidenists, but from what I have seen the record is pretty clear of false positives
  
  I'm not here to debate libs and you can't make me.
  
  You can use U block origin to block the emotes. I do that for the ones that bother me.
  
  That isn’t debate, it’s bullying.

Probably because we're constantly talk about politics 24/7

Too many posts I reckon

They're all mensheviks

because they aint us
- Because they anus
  
  but

Not enough fecal swine testicles

Because we're massive dickheads who make fun of the
side of lemmy

Mostly good takes mixed with some dogshit takes mixed in. Better than most of lemmy tho. I don't hate you though.
- As a day 1 Hexbear account; I agree
  
  Welcome to hexbear <3 I hope you enjoy it here
- You dodged a bullet by not elaborating on what you think is dogshit

I have no horse in this race, but I genuinely would like to know what all the drama is about? I’m new to this app and I’m not sure what the problem is when everybody can filter I think their own instances that they would like to see. I did not find anything racist or at least I haven’t seen anything or anything homophobic or calling for acts of violence, so I’m not sure why you guys are being defederated. Apologies. If this is something that has already been discussed. I’m just trying to keep myself informed.
- We're socialists. That's it.
  Everything they say about us revolves around them not wanting people to come here and potentially learn. In particular the nato dorks don't want us influencing people into anti-nato positions because it'll affect their ability to wage unlimited endless wars.
  As such they'll say anything and everything about us, even some of the completely made up things like homophobia/racism, which is funny as we're probably the strongest instance on the fediverse against that, going far far further than the liberals do on all social justice topics.
  It is what it is.
  You're a trekkie. You like space communism. We want the same thing. That's all we need to know about each other.
- I think it's overblown. We're annoying commies and that's enough to make some libs mad.
  but also to be fair we do call for acts of violence regularly and with great gusto. it's one of the main things i use the site for.
- literally nothing happened to incite the drama. the people on this instance used the fediverse in the way the software was designed for. the instance, which used to be not federated became federated like all the other ones.. the drama was initiated prior to this even happening; just in anticipation of how bad it would be.
  it was a bunch of spiteful, ignorant, small minded name calling provoked by fantasies of the people who stirred it up. they are really afraid of leftists because they know they are wrong and don't enjoy the feeling of being shown up. so they wanted to preempt this by doing red baiting to stir up a moral panic because that usually works pretty well.
- We have an extremely aggressive site culture from our origins on Reddit when people who didn't agree with our general political tendencies would wander into our subreddit and act like obnoxious smuglords once they realized what we're about. Rather than outright ban these people, we would bully them until they left - and even though we have somewhat stricter moderation on this site than we did in the subreddit, the viciousness stayed. We also have an extremely online sense of humor, given that we were founded to discuss a left-wing twitter podcast, which can make the general tone dense and impenetrable for newcomers.
  calling for acts of violence
  FWIW the subreddit was actually banned because it said that John Brown killing slave owners was good which Reddit called "promoting violence."
- I did not find anything racist or at least I haven’t seen anything or anything homophobic
  We're very strictly against any form of bigotry on this site and have a strong culture of mocking and bullying bigots, we also have a slur filter that changes the slur to say "removed" so any user who tries to use slurs can't (also iirc it instantly auto reports them to the mods with the slur they tried to use included in the report so that the mods can see what they were saying and react accordingly)

I don't hate you guys, I just didn't know what was going on for a bit when y'all federated. Welcome!
- Sup fam

No! Don't tell us! You'll kill the romance!

You first internationalists make me sick!!!

Not communist enough

You guys don't like my movies... 😭
- Never heard of it.
- Out of all of my movies, you had to remind me of my most capesh*t one... 😭
- Margo, how come you can only do a Long Island accent whenever you play an American
  
  ...I thought my Southern accent was pretty, pretty good in Dreamland.
  Also, is my name really that hard to spell? It's "Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie".

I'm pretty sure everyone at lemm.ee is cool with y'all. I'm still not super sure why other instances want to defederate with you tbh lol
- I think Blahaj wanted to defederate because they didn't like talking about trans rights or removing slurs
  
  That entire instance got hijacked by McCarthyists, though there are still cool people there despite that.
  
  Well damn, fuck that instance.

I don't hate y'all, but some of the posts here can be indigestable. Some posts simply assume everyone is on the same page with something - which is likely true, since you've been a community for a long time.
Maybe I'll come back and edit this with an example at some point.
- I don't know why (VISA Silver Signature Rewards) is so funny, but it is
  
  lmao that's a classic
  
  :che-smile: I forgot about that one lol
  
  Lol I love this
  
  That's fucking hilarious
  
  Thats.... A surprising good example lol
  
  They won’t let me order vegan pizza anymore because the phone is fascist and “summoning my pizza slaves with a bourgeois app” is “bad vibes”
  Yeah y'know what I actually refuse to use delivery apps and have convinced all my friends not too either, if you want takeout food go walk and get it yourself OR make sure you use fast food places that hire there own drivers and pay them a good wage.
  Delivery apps are human slavery, plain and simple; most delivery drivers on those things make below min wage.
- You're witnessing us after we've gone through countless internal debates and purges, some of which will always be legendary. We had a problem with transphobes at the start, they're all gone. We had a really bizarre fight for about a week over whether or not cats should be allowed outside.
  My favorite of ours was the weirdly intense debate over if it's ok to stack rocks next to or inside of a river.
  There was also BMF, one of the strangest people to ever live. My personal favorite was @LiberalSocialist@hexbear.net, who was the most contradictory poster we had. You'd think LiberalSocialist was an elaborate Andy Kaufman level bit of someone pretending to be an annoying liberal, but I think it's always been unclear whether it was a gimmick or not.
  
  We can always bring back "are bidets bourgeois?"
  
  i missed the beginning of the 'batteries and water and eels' thing and i still don't understand what that was about
  
  ofc cat should be allowed outside what the hell 🤔
  
  Y’all mfs are missing a very important point in the outside cat debate:
  If you live up in the woods at the end of a dirt road you need a cat to keep the vermin out and a small mowed perimeter to keep critters from gettin in your crawlspaces.
  Or: it’s okay when I do it.
- God damn I would love to see your reaction to some of the classic BMF posts lol
  Death to America

I think it's because of our huge emojis
- Not all of them are huge though

I don’t hate you. But I can empathize with others who find your abrasiveness off-putting. Someone said edgy like atheists and, as a lifelong atheist who hates religion, I understood what they meant / seemed fair to me. Let’s all have a beer.
- sorry, all I've got is this dope ass bear

I don’t. When it comes up I argue in favor of staying federated with hexbear. There are some good ideas there and we’re worse off for eliminating them.
Hexbear does have a lot of posts that consist mostly of smack talk, pictures and memes though. I just block all of those posters individually for myself but I can see why a lot of people just consider it immature and want to block the whole instance.

They don't have the cool emojis like we do. Also we have owls and trains
- Hexbear style "They hate our freedoms"
  
  They hate us cuz they ain't us

top tier

you're the political equivalent of abnoxious edgy atheists
- obnoxious
  abnoxious
  
  there really is an emoji for everything
- Can't we have a little imperialism? As a treat?
- Damn, I wanted to go in and tip the fedora.
  
  😳 communitylinkfixerbot doesn't work here?
- Abnoxious is the name of my 90's skater punk workout video
  
  I'm about to lose this beergut
- Objectively correct, but annoying? I'll accept it.
- Valid tbh
- So cool and correct in both ways?
- Yeah basically ngl, just without any of the smug post 9/11 islamophobia that new atheism used to mix in
  
  Difference is that your religion doesn’t really matter as long as you keep it a personal belief, it only becomes an issue if you try to make your religion political and use it in the public sphere to control people or abuse those within it. At that point it’s no longer a religious issue it’s a political or criminal one.
  Political issues matter, they determine the allocation of resources and who lives and dies and who has power. They determine who gets an education, who gets to have kids, etc.
  So caring a lot about politics and pushing your political view unapologetically makes a lot of sense. Pushing your personal religious (or irreligious) views is just annoying and cringe and betrays a lack of understanding about what actually matters and impacts the real world.
- The difference is atheists may be correct, but nowadays whether you're religious isn't, on its own, a huge prediction factor in how you affect others' lives.
  When your politics is lib or reactionary, when you're racist, or nationalist, or just deliberately ignorant and loudmouthed about world politics, you are by definition actively and deliberately conspiring to make peoples' lives worse. Those people affected are often minority groups, and/or friends, family and comrades. But whatever kind of human it is, it should be obvious why it's personally important to us to oppose that.

I find the memes funny but the image abuse is obnoxious. I'm not a big fan of defederation so I always end up defending you guys but seriously, wtf?
- Nonetheless, I only see one instance abusing of the bug. It's definitely lemmy growing pains though. I'm hoping some instance just outright ban images and emoticon, I always hated them. The little 🤣🤣🤣 always screamed teenage bullshit to me.

They hope someday to be your waiters

❤️
Culture
Emojis
Diverse opinions and insights
💔
Culture
Politics threads filled with emojis and the occasional ppb
Politics discussions being brought into threads discussing something seemingly unrelated
- I appreciate the honest tone. Is the dislike on politics threads emojis just emojis in general, or can we lay the blame on lemmy sizing bug?
  
  For me it's just the sizing bug, the emojis are pretty cool for the most part.
  ...I have been hijacking some and using them in my posts

I don't really hate hexbear per se, it's just that I feel like it's kind of... unserious. Not that that's a bad thing, of course, it's just not really what I'm used to.
- Nazi punks fuck off
  
  leftist dive bar
  Is this a thing and if so where is it?
- Most of us have been through our serious phase already and have been fully jokerfied by years of failure of the left and basically no hope whatsoever.
  To take communism super seriously as a westerner almost is a joke on its own, there’s such a difference between what you aim for and what reality is
  
  Finally got a chance to use this lol.
  ok but seriously, what with China, and now Niger, Burkina Faso, Russia draining NATO, BRICS expansion etc, why shouldn't we be hopeful?
- As a chronic shitposter, there's a certain balance between irony-poisoned and sincerity that I feel hexbear embodies and I feel comfortable in.
- You have no idea how serious this is.

- Gooble gobble gooble gobble
  One of us, one of us !

I don't know what hexbear is other than another Lemmy instance. But often the comments from hexbear users cause me to frown and get a little disappointed in humanity making me think about blocking hexbear but IDK, still feeling it out and seeing if I get used to it.
- Trekkies like space communism though. All you need to know about us is that we want the same thing.
  
  Careful what you say about my wife
- comments from hexbear users cause me to frown
  give us an example of such a comment so we can judge whether you are reactionary.
  
  I don't save the comments so I can't lol.
  
  https://hexbear.net/post/451203
  Supporting Ukraine against Russian invasion is the right move, so why is this post getting lots of interactions when it's criticizing those who support Ukraine?
- So, in brief, we tend to not care much about civility when it comes to harmful political views. We want Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism (FALGSC for short, in other words Star Trek), and we don't care if we upset people who work against such things. We're leftists of all stripes, many of us are neurodivergent and or LGBTQIA+, and we really want a better tomorrow instead of the awful things we've been spoon fed. The way our society is organized isn't natural, and it's as malleable as we collectively will it to be, we want to change it.
  
  Sounds like my kind of people overall. Maybe the comments I read that made me frown weren't all that representative of the whole. I too dream of Star Trek style communism.
- if you see anything objectionable, just make a post to !chat@hexbear.net and ask about it, or replying with a question about it. it's usually either an obscure, irony-laden bit or some theory-based position that's not that hard to justify with sources.